[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 2008-6: Emergency TransferPolicyforIPv4 Addresses - Last Call

Bill Darte BillD at cait.wustl.edu
Sat Jan 3 11:01:11 EST 2009

Of course...everything you say I absolutely agree with.
But, my sell proposition is not exclusively to the consumer of transport, but to management of the ISP's.  It's a way to seem less impotent in the face of an investment that must be done.  It's a way for the company to spin the investment into a value proposition that seems to have a revenue stream associated with it...and to differentiate themselves to the consumer.

-----Original Message-----
From: cja at daydream.com [mailto:packetgrrl at gmail.com]
Sent: Sat 1/3/2009 8:40 AM
To: Bill Darte
Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 2008-6: Emergency TransferPolicyforIPv4 Addresses - Last Call
I guess Bill but again I argue that customers don't care about IPv6.   They
want ISPs to continue to build the highway and provide a service that gets
them to where they want to go.  If ISPs run out of address space, well to a
customer that's just poor planning and they'll go somewhere else.   I don't
think ISPs have to sell IPv6 to customers.  Customers will take IPv6 if it
gets them where they want to go.  I still argue that the fact that their
highway is IPv6 should be transparent to the customer.   The ISP sells a
service and it may or may not include IPv6.  The customer wants to
buy/sell/surf/etc.... The lower level protocols should be transparent to
them.  No one sells OSPF, IS-IS,  or BGP to a customer either.    The
customers just don't care.   The only thing I can see a customer may care
about IPv6 is being able to get a large block of address space but again
that's part of a service.


On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 7:01 AM, Bill Darte <BillD at cait.wustl.edu> wrote:

> .... cja at daydream.com...wrote...
> I guess I am still waiting for someone to come up with the killer
> application for IPv6.  Or a marketing scheme... get this new
> service/speed/whatever if you sign up for IPv6.  Of course you have to have
> IPv6 deployed to sell it as part of a service.
> *************
> Seems to me the sell is... the future comes with IPv6...we(as an ISP) offer
> that service now.. if you want to be part of the future, come with us....
> (then a little FUD about what happens if you don't get on board) ;-)
> bd

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