[arin-ppml] The non-deployment of IPv6

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Tue Dec 8 20:56:02 EST 2009

Matthew Kaufman wrote:
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>> Matthew Kaufman wrote:
>>> Fortunately there's no need for IPv6 experimenters the way there was 
>>> a need with IPv4, as there's a big established ISP industry rolling 
>>> it out and they'll handle all of that this time around. Which 
>>> probably explains why my transit provider(s) don't offer it yet.
>> Have you asked them about IPv6?  More importantly, have you asked them
>> to ask THEIR upstream providers about native IPv6 since they probably 
>> have given you the (likely valid) excuse that none of their upstreams 
>> supply it yet, so they can't offer it.
> Yes, at least the last time I talked to each (Abovenet, who was my 
> upstream until I sold that ISP a few weeks ago and Cogent, who really 
> wanted to be an upstream) they couldn't supply it.

abovenet is most definitely interconnected with at least one transit AS 
who IS running IPv6 natively, so you need to translate "couldn't" to
"is choosing not to for whatever reason"

I'd find it very hard to believe that abovenet is not running current
enough JunOS or IOS (or whatever) to support IPv6 on their routers to
where they actually "couldn't"

I think that we all really ought to agree that 2010 is the year
that ISP's stop accepting the "I can't" excuse from their upstreams when 
they ask about IPv6 and insist on being told the real truth on why
the upstream isn't doing it.  A transit AS would have to have an 
extremely gnarly backbone that actually "couldn't" run it.  I mean, even 
stuff that you fish out of the Dumpsters behind the better ISP's can run 
IPv6 now.


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