[arin-ppml] SWIPs & IPv6
owen at delong.com
Sun Dec 6 00:45:10 EST 2009
Perhaps I did not use an exactly correct term to meet your particular
However, internet addresses are a resource which has been placed in
the trust of the RIR
system for distribution in the best interests of the internet
community as defined by that
community. To me, that is as much a form of public commons as
I thought I made my position clear on the subject at hand, but, since
you apparently did
not understand, I'll clarify further:
1. If you receive more than a trivial amount of IP number resources,
you have the
responsibility to make valid reliable contact data available to those
users of the
internet who may need to contact you in the event that systems
claiming to be
within your network are sending harmful or undesired traffic into
(Note, that anyone with an internet connection fits in the scope of
in my opinion, so, placing the data in whois seems perfectly
you cannot generally access whois data without an internet connection).
2. You have the responsibility not to emit harmful traffic in general.
3. You have the responsibility not to emit undesired traffic towards
have informed you that they do not want your traffic.
4. You have the responsibility to respond to attempts to communicate
with you via
the contact information you have published, and, to act in a
to resolve issues brought to your attention through that contact.
Now, since the next obvious question is the definition of a trivial
amount of IP number
resources, I'll clarify my thoughts on that subject as well:
1. If you possess more than zero ASNs, you have a non-trivial amount
of IP number
2. If you possess any RIR-direct allocations or assignments, you have
amount of IP number resources.
3. If you possess more than 8 globally unique IPv4, you have a non-
of IP number resources.
4. If you possess more than a /60 of IPv6 addresses (either a
contiguous /60 or
some combination of longer prefixes totaling an equivalent amount of
space), you have a non-trivial amount of IP number resources.
As I stated, the residential privacy concerns expressed by other
posters, including Michael
Dillon, are bogus because the current policy allows the data for those
to be sufficiently obscured as to protect them.
Further, most of the other concerns expressed are trivially addressed
as I suggested
below, by the organization in question getting a legitimate registered
or creating a corporation and using a mail receiving service for their
address to do
business with ARIN.
Sure, there are costs associated with this, just as there is a fee for
POTS telephone number unlisted. This allows resource holders to
much their privacy is worth to them. I would think you would be the
to have a problem with such a mechanism.
On Dec 5, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote:
> There is no law, regulation or constitutional provision that
> declares Internet addresses to be a "public commons resource."
> Indeed, your statements indicate that you may not have the clearest
> grasp of what you are saying theoretically (do you mean "public
> good" or "commons" and if you mean commons, do you mean "open access
> commons" or not?). FYI, IP addresses are both rival in consumption
> and excludable, which means that they fail both tests of a public
> good and need not be regulated as a commons.
> And even if they were, there is no logical, technical or operational
> linkage between the resource management regime and the alleged
> requirement to make all information about all users completely
> public for all purposes.
> To say that using IP addresses entails certain responsibilities is
> true. But we are debating what those responsibilities are or should
> be., You do not answer that question by begging it.
> Can we PLEASE attempt to discuss ways to solve the problems Danny
> MacPherson brought up? I can't even remember clearly what they were.
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of Owen DeLong [owen at delong.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 9:46 PM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] SWIPs & IPv6
> The claims that ISPs are forced to maintain contact information for
> individuals is bunk
> 1. There is a residential privacy provision already in whois.
> 2. Most individuals don't get blocks large enough to require
> Finally, if you need a large block and don't want to register as an
> individual, getting
> a legal fictitious name, or, creating a corporation is a relatively
> simple thing to do.
> That, combined with an address at a mail receiving service (such as
> etc. used to do before they became UPS) allows you to register without
> to expose your residential address.
> However, internet addresses are a public commons resource. If you
> want to be
> granted the exclusive registration of a significant portion of said
> public commons,
> then, in exchange, you accept certain r
> esponsibilities, one of which
> is maintaining
> a way to contact you about network-related issues that includes a
> valid postal,
> email, and telephone contact point.
> This is a completely legitimate trade-off and I do not see a need to
> change it.
> The information should remain transparent and open.
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