[arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2008-3: Community Networks IPv6 Assignment - Last Call
joelja at bogus.com
Sun Aug 30 17:53:14 EDT 2009
I've found the discussion of organizational suitability very hard to
follow in part because it's been in the abstract.
What, (or is there an) organization having found the current arin
process either financially onerous or not qualifying under existing
rules would avail themselves of 2008-3.
If the beneficiaries of this policy are real rather than abstract it
should be much easier to tailor the policy to meet their needs. If they
don't exist yet, what purpose does the policy serve?
Milton L Mueller wrote:
> Please do not restrict this to "UN recognized NGOs." Only a handful of the world's NGO have the time or inclination to be recognized by the UN; many engaged in political speech would be knocked down by hostile govts if they sought recognition. --MM
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
>> Behalf Of Martin Hannigan
>> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 12:46 PM
>> To: David Farmer
>> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2008-3: Community Networks IPv6
>> Assignment - Last Call
>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:48 AM, David Farmer<farmer at umn.edu> wrote:
>>> On 28 Aug 2009 Martin Hannigan wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Member Services<info at arin.net> wrote:
>>>> [ clip ]
>>> [clipped more]
>>>>> 2.8 Community Network
>>>>> A community network is any network organized and operated by a
>>>>> group operating as or under the fiscal support of a non-profit
>> organization or university
>>>>> for the purpose of providing free or low-cost connectivity to the
>> residents of their local service
>>>> The problematic language for me is "as or under". How do you operate
>>>> "under" the fiscal support of a non profit organization? Aren't
>>>> Universities non-profits? Diving clubs? Cub Scouts? What constitutes
>>>> operating "under" the fiscal support of a non-profit or university? It
>>>> looks like this proposal simply grabbed on to hot-button issues to
>>>> justify it's creation along with a few loopholes. I'm fairly certain
>>>> that while the abuse of this one may be limited, it will be abused.
>>> Using one of the examples you provided;
>> [ snip ]
>>> Substitute "Community Network" for "Diving Club" and you have the intent
>>> the phrase "as or under the fiscal support of a non-profit organization
>>> university". Would "as or under the fiscal management and support of a
>>> non-profit organization or university" be better? Do you have a better
>>> suggestion on how to phrase this?
>> One way that this proposal could have been improved would have been to
>> specify that accredited educational institutions and UN recognized
>> NGO's may allocate v6 address space to groups that they deem deserving
>> as defined by their internal processes after they themselves qualify
>> under the existing criteria. That may have addressed the staff
>> discretion comment, it certainly addresses the weak use cases and it
>> eliminates the [possibly hundreds of] thousands of others who this
>> proposal was not intended to benefit.
>> I will leave this in your capable and adventurous hands.
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