[arin-ppml] Ted's Comment on 2009-2

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Grundemann [mailto:cgrundemann at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 7:50 AM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Cc: Joe Maimon; ARIN PPML
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Ted's Comment on 2009-2
> 
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 17:54, Ted Mittelstaedt 
> <tedm at ipinc.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
> >> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Joe Maimon
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 4:31 PM
> >> Cc: ARIN PPML
> >> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Ted's Comment on 2009-2
> >>
> >>
> >> Large orgs may fear losing customers to small orgs for the 
> year or so 
> >> that small orgs are able to turn up ipv4 while they may 
> not be able 
> >> to do.
> >>
> >
> > I'm under no illusions that qwest.net is the slightest bit 
> concerned 
> > about losing DSL customers to us. ;-)
> >
> > Keep in mind that it's NOT the small orgs who were at the 
> ARIN meeting 
> > who are the ones I'm concerned about.  THEY are among the ones who 
> > will be up and willing and ready for IPv6.  It's the ones who are 
> > completely oblivious to what's going on right now - many of 
> these may 
> > not even have their own portable numbers yet.
> >
> > I really fear that if we do not have the dribs and drabs of 
> IPv4 that 
> > are left after runout available for these orgs, or if available but 
> > priced in the stratosphere, that some of them will be harmed.
> 
> To play the devils advocate; if an ISP of any size is truly 
> oblivious to what's going on right now do they deserve to be 
> protected at the detriment of orgs who _are_ clueful? 

No.  However, I have yet to see a logical argument that throwing
them this bone is a detriment to clueful ISP's.

> Or 
> does responsibility for this ignorance fall back to us who 
> are "in the know" for not spreading the word?  I guess my 
> question is:  If a couple sheep run headlong off the cliff, 
> is that the fault of the shepherd or of the sheep?
> 
> IMHO, the answer is that it depends.  Did the shepherd do 
> everything (s)he should have to protect/guide the sheep?  
> Probably the more important question though is who will be 
> asking that question, by whom will we be judged?  If we are 
> judged by the big (and powerful) orgs the answer will be much 
> different than if we are judged by the small ones who ran off 
> the cliff (or were saved from said cliff)...
>

I think the answer is a lot simpler than that.  What would YOU want
if you were in that ISP's shoes?

Every one of us is unaware of things going on that will affect us
at some point.  I picked up the newspaper this morning and discovered
our local state legislature is considering let cities charge a per-mile
tax on personal auto registrations.  This is an idea that's been cooking
down there for a while.  I trust my representatives to do the right thing
in the absense of me knowing about it, and kill this stupid idea.

I think anyone advocating for the small clueless ISP's to become roadkill
on the Internet due to the shift to IPv6 is asking for some very, very
bad karma.
 
Ted