[arin-ppml] Alternative to arbitrary transfers

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net 
> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Kargel
> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:30 PM
> To: ARIN PPML
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Alternative to arbitrary transfers
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe Maimon [mailto:jmaimon at chl.com]
> > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 4:18 PM
> > To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> > Cc: 'Leo Vegoda'; Kevin Kargel; 'ARIN PPML'
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Alternative to arbitrary transfers
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > >
> > 
> > > I don't see these alternatives in any way as creating a transfer 
> > > market - yet I see them as being able to generate reusable IPv4.
> > > I would certainly like to have ARIN give them a try and 
> prove they 
> > > DON'T work before embarking on a transfer program.
> > 
> > The downside is that ARIN becomes even more the bad guy.
> > 
> > A transfer system could avoid all that.
> > 
> > Doesnt mean I dont personally think all your ideas are 
> inevitable in 
> > one shape or another.
> 
> OK, brainstorming more here..  
> 
> How about if:
> 
> 1. IP holder "A" decides it wants to relinquish some IP's and 
> would like some remuneration..

Right here is the problem.

Holder A has his IP numbers purely due to his requesting the
numbers on the basis of need.  In other words, the numbers were
never "his" to give.  He's "renting" the use of them, just like
you would rent a car.  We all would like renumeration for returning
our rental cars, but that's not what we agreed to when we rented
the car.

Further, the org does
not have the power to determine that he can continue to use the
numbers - only ARIN does.  If ARIN decides for whatever reason -
maybe they got tipped off by a signed deposition from a former
employee of Holder A that the original basis of obtaining the
numbers was a lie - then ARIN should have the authority to
pull the numbering.  By giving IP Holder A the
power to determine that it can relinquish IP allocations on
any other basis than what they were originally obtained on - ie:
need - your creating a very slipperly slope that is just
encouraging lawsuits that would pry away at more of ARIN's
authority.

Even the credit from ARIN is a slippery slope and personally I
don't like it - but I'm willing to suggest it as a bone to the
pro-transfer people.

Ted