[arin-ppml] 2008-6: Emergency Transfer Policy for IPv4 Addresses

[Scott Leibrand]

Kevin,

Can you outline a proposal of how you think ARIN should effectuate such 
transfers?

Thanks,
Scott

Kevin Kargel wrote:
>  
> Thank you Micheal for your common sense explanations.  I certainly agree
> that the only legitimate way to transfer IP addresses is through the
> services of the RIR.  Anything else would breed chaos.
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net 
>> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of michael.dillon at bt.com
>> Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 2:25 PM
>> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] 2008-6: Emergency Transfer Policy 
>> for IPv4 Addresses
>>
>>> This is nonsense. Literally. IP address transfer markets are not 
>>> derivative markets,
>> A derivative is essentially a contract. It is used to buy or 
>> sell something, that normally cannot be bought or sold. Yes, 
>> it is true that the most common types of derivative contracts 
>> are options and futures, but there are many others.
>>
>>> IP
>>> address transfers as proposed by various RIR policy changes 
>> directly 
>>> transfer a valuable but intangible asset from one party to another. 
>>> There is no redistribution of risk.
>> Given that the RIR policies and registration 
>> agreements(contracts) all state clearly that IP addresses are 
>> not property, I don't see how you can buy or sell the right 
>> to use them other than through a derivative contract. So far, 
>> I have seen no policy proposals to change IP addresses into 
>> property, and if they are not property, then they cannot be 
>> an asset and cannot be bought or sold.
>>
>> As for redistribution of risk, that is insurance (or 
>> reinsurance) and is not an essential component of a 
>> derivative contract.
>>
>>> Let's keep in mind that transfers of IP addresses already 
>> happen. Are 
>>> you suggesting that they all be stopped?
>> Yes, they should all be stopped. The only legitimate way to 
>> acquire the right to use an IP adress block is to show 
>> technical justification to an RIR. The only legitimate 
>> transfer of right to use an address is one that transfers 
>> network assets, or one that has an RIR as one of the two parties.
>>
>> --Michael Dillon
>>
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