[arin-ppml] The Library Book Approach to IPv4 Scarcity

Kevin Kargel kkargel at polartel.com
Wed Oct 29 17:33:33 EDT 2008


> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net 
> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Paul G. Timmins
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:08 PM
> To: Seth Mattinen; ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] The Library Book Approach to IPv4 Scarcity
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
> > [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 2:59 PM
> > To: ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] The Library Book Approach to IPv4 Scarcity
> > 
> > Jo Rhett wrote:
> > > On Oct 29, 2008, at 6:52 AM, Kevin Kargel wrote:
> > >> What you are proposing could easily turn in to an
> > excessive annual
> > >> manpower
> > >> requirement for an ISP.  It could easily be forgotten or mis- 
> > >> assigned with terrible consequences.
> > > 
> > > Not unless the ISP throws away the information gained from the 
> > > previous year every time and does it all from scratch.
> > > 
> > > And I mean seriously, have you ever worked at an ISP that
> > didn't have
> > > an internal database with information about every single IP 
> > > allocation?  ISPs are going to find this exercise trivial.
> > 
> > I have. I once spent about 2 months getting all of their swips in 
> > order.
> > The only documentation was comments in zone files. I think 
> they just 
> > deleted all the swips later or something.
> I don't understand why basic recordkeeping that any ISP 
> should be doing, should not be able to be mandated. I have 
> had no problem maintaining an accurate inventory of our IP 
> use. I feel confident enough about our recordkeeping to pay 
> $20 out of my own pocket for any inaccurate or missing record 
> found in our IP database. (This is not a challenge, of course).

I don't understand why anyone would think they have the right to tell anyone
else how to admin their network or what tasks they need to do in order to do
it.  I agree that basic recordkeeping is a must but I don't think we have
the right to make other businesses do things our way.  Even if you
religiously balance your checkbook I don't think you would be happy if they
made not balancing it a misdemeanor offense.  

You do things better than some other people do.  That is why your business
runs smoother and is more profitable than theirs.  Lead by example, not

> I know people out there don't maintain their records, but 
> there's really no excuse for that. How hard is it to kick out 
> a SWIP, or update a spreadsheet or something? At the end of 
> the day, these bad or nonexistent records are doctored up, 
> and made to show ARIN that they're out of IPs and need more. 
> How do they come to this determination without accurate 
> records in the first place? Do they give up on finding more 
> useful space? How can you accurately assign and track your IP 
> space well enough to know you need more space if you don't 
> have good records?
> I have been out for a week, and honestly, I have no idea what 
> proposal is even being discussed. But to hear other ARIN 
> holders discussing how poor their records are and how it's 
> not fair if someone mandates something resembling accuracy is 
> insulting to people who actually work to maintain accurate 
> records to avoid needless allocations and waste.

I applaud you efforts for accurate and timely recordkeeping.  I do not think
it is reasonable that we expect the rest of the world meets your standards.

> -Paul
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