[arin-ppml] The Library Book Approach to IPv4 Scarcity

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Wed Oct 29 16:05:12 EDT 2008

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net 
> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Jo Rhett
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:55 PM
> To: Kevin Kargel
> Cc: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] The Library Book Approach to IPv4 Scarcity
> On Oct 29, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Kevin Kargel wrote:
> > Have you ever looked in an ISP's database and found inaccuracies or 
> > mistakes?  Do you know of ANY database ANYWHERE that is 100%
> > accurate or
> > 100% up to date?  ISP's are going to find this exersice trivial as  
> > long as
> I see no reason for ARIN policy to make exceptions for the  
> inaccuracies in a given ISP's database.  This is not my problem, nor  
> ARIN's problem.
> >> This is the cost of your IP allocation.  It's actually 
> right there in 
> >> your contract, right now, today.  What is being proposed is simply 
> >> enforcement of those contractual terms.
> >
> > I already have a cost for my IP allocation..  What I am hearing
> > proposed is
> > a fine (since when did ARIN have authority to assess fines?) if I  
> > don't
> > complete my paperwork to meet some administrators approval.  I do  
> > not need a
> > sword of extra fees hanging over my head and I suspect you don't  
> > either.
> Ha.  I'd pay the fine and ignore ARIN ;-)  I've been saying 
> that fines  
> won't work, and we don't have it in our contract to take them.  We  
> should recover the unjustified space.

How do you recover space when the org advertising it does not want to
give it up?

Fact is, I was rather curious myself about these situations
so when we got our portable allocation years ago I kept advertising a /23
from one
of our old blocks after renumbering out of it just to see what would happen.
About a year later the block was finally assigned.  Trust me, if I had
wanted to be a jerk about it, it would have gotten pretty bad for the
org that got the numbers.


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