[arin-ppml] Tax incentive for renumbering-related labor costs?

Brian Raaen braaen at zcorum.com
Tue Oct 21 20:42:10 EDT 2008

I would have to agree with Ted that different types of uses have differing 
cost.  I recently worked on renumbering a DSL system from one backbone to 
another backbone. As far as the standard PPPoE DSL users and the Dial access 
users, we for the most part could care less.  I.E. Add the new pool to the 
redback kill the old pool, the modems reboot and get their new address. Now 
the static users are a different story.  We have gone out of the way to set 
up route-maps to let them still route out the old backbone and let them 
renumber when they are able.

So I would agree that network block size is not a good metric.  I could 
change /24 pppoe/dhcp pools till the cows came home, but 
equipment/server/static netblocks regardless of size are approached with 
tender loving care.


Brian Raaen
Network Engineer
braaen at zcorum.com

On Tuesday 21 October 2008, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net 
> > [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Tom Vest
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 3:23 PM
> > Subject: [arin-ppml] Tax incentive for renumbering-related 
> > labor costs?
> > 
> > 
> > Anyone care to suggest plausible "ballpark" 
> > renumbering-related labor  
> > costs for one IPv4 /24?
> > I vaguely recall hearing about a couple of private studies 
> > estimating  
> > such costs...
> > 
> What is this /24 used on?
> If it's used on a colocated virtual webserver that has 5,000
> domain names it is serving websites for, the cost could be quite high.
> Otherwise, assuming every number on the subnet is in use, if it
> is like most of them, you could start the renumber Friday evening and
> have it completed by Monday morning, assuming you worked steadily
> at it for 4-5 hours Friday, and 10-12 hours Saturday.
> > Anyone think that this kind of tax incentive would be sufficient to  
> > motivate returns to ARIN?
> > 
> tax incentives never motivated anyone to do anything.  tax incentives
> are convenient political potatos that the politicians like to use
> to prove that they are actually doing something about a problem when
> in reality they are doing absolutely nothing.
> > What (if any) legal changes would be required to permit U.S.-based  
> > IPv4 holders to claim U.S. tax benefits like this for address space  
> > returned to ARIN?
> > 
> None whatsoever.  It takes labor to do these, you pay your employees
> more labor for the extra time, you get to take it off your gross, thus
> dropping your taxable net.  You also help stimulate the economy
> by putting more money in your employees pockets, instead of giving it
> to the investors who are just going to use it to speculate in home
> mortgages that they are going to later short sell anyway.
> Ted
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