[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal 2008-4 - Staff Assessment
tme at multicasttech.com
Fri Oct 10 13:40:32 EDT 2008
There appear to be no autonomous systems based in those locations.
On Oct 10, 2008, at 1:24 PM, David Williamson wrote:
> I agree with Bill on this one. Let's not punish the Caribbean folks
> with a 6-month delay because we forgot to include 10,000 people
> scattered across a few tiny islands. I'd still like to see a simple
> list defining the "Caribbean region" appended to the existing
> but I wouldn't want to hold up adoption of this otherwise very worthy
> Out of curiosity, can someone from the ARIN staff tell us if we've
> had *any* requests from St. Pierre and Miquelon or St. Helena? (Since
> those are the only inhabited locations that aren't "Caribbean" or
> US/Canada....) I suspect this is really a complete non-issue. I
> just prefer that we remove ambiguity so future interpretation isn't
> different from current intent.
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 12:20:04PM -0500, Bill Darte wrote:
>> Personally, I have no problem with your conclusion that a more
>> generalized proposal should emerge.
>> Given that, the central issue is that the proposal should change
>> And, it has two possible solutions in time.
>> 1. We can support the existing proposal and have two successful
>> (hopefully), that being the African community support and then the
>> Caribbean....and then introduce another more generalized proposal.
>> Or 2. we can abandon the existing proposal because it is not general
>> enough and propose the more general.
>> I see little service in later, compared to the former.
>> Bill Darte
>> ARIN AC
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>>> On 10 Oct 2008 Bill Darte wrote:
>>>> ARIN did not initiate the proposed change for the Caribbean sector.
>>>> My first experience with issues surrounding this proposal was in a
>>>> pre-sector meeting in St. Thomas February of '07.
>>>> There, many representatives of the Caribbean community voiced a
>>>> variety of concerns related to limited infrastructure, lack of
>>>> competition due to powerful and protected imcumbency, etc. They
>>>> learned much about ARIN and learned more during the whole region
>>>> meeting in Puerto Rico the following Spring at ARIN XIX.
>>>> Cathy and Paul may correct me, but I believe the impetus for the
>>>> actual writing of the proposal came during Open Policy Hour at ARIN
>>>> XXI in Denver. There, Bernadette Lewis, Secretary General of the
>>>> Caribbean Telecommunications Union spoke about the need for
>>> change and
>>>> support with addressing policy.
>>>> Cathy and Paul responded by crafting a draft proposal very shortly
>>> Yes, I remember I was there and I raised the very issue I'm
>>> raising now.
>>> Why exclude the other small stuff by defining this with a
>>> scope limited to the Caribbean. I even went back a review
>>> the Quicktime of the Open Policy Hour from Denver, because I
>>> honestly couldn't remember if I only thought about raising
>>> the issue or if I actually did.
>>> I'm going to have to stick with the courage of my convictions
>>> on this one, I simply cannot support this policy if it is
>>> limited to the Caribbean. It has to include all of the
>>> smaller economies in the ARIN Region. In my view the valid
>>> issue here is that the smaller economies simply can't meet
>>> ARIN's current requirements, which are mostly based on what
>>> is workable for the US and Canada, but that issue doesn't
>>> have a Caribbean box around it.
>>> I also, think it is completely wrong for ARIN to lower the
>>> standards for the US and Canada, it mostly works here. To
>>> that end, I'm going the completely withdraw the idea that the
>>> Arctic regions of the US and Canada are even part, or could
>>> even be part of this issue. The economies of US and Canada
>>> are large enough to solve Arctic regions on their own.
>>> This discussion and reviewing the Open Policy Hour Quicktime
>>> from Denver, has help me to come to the conclusion that the
>>> proper scope of this issues and maybe even the proper title
>>> is "Small Economies within the ARIN Region"
>>> The issue here isn't a geographical region, "it's the
>>> economy, stupid." (it never cease to amaze me how many places
>>> that is a valid quote for :)) By scooping it by economy, we
>>> deal with population, infrastructure, and remoteness, etc...
>>> as they all play a role in an economy.
>>> I'll grant that primary effect of this policy will be in the
>>> Caribbean, they are probably the "Small Economies" that are
>>> even big enough and advanced enough to actually have the
>>> issue currently, but that doesn't make it right to exclude
>>> the other "Small Economies" from this policy.
>>> So, I support this important policy, iff (if an only if) it
>>> includes all the smaller economies in the ARIN Region.
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