[arin-ppml] "Millions of Internet Addresses Are LyingIdle" (slashdot)
rlc at usfamily.net
Tue Oct 21 17:32:09 EDT 2008
michael.dillon at bt.com wrote:
>>Until and unless someone can describe, in simple layman's
>>terms, a rational transition plan to IPv6, I don't see it happening.
> The laymen have already transitioned to IPv6.
>>1) What are the largest barriers that will prevent widescale
>>IPv6 in the next 12 months or whatever timeframe
Also very cute, but, of course, you know it is a hopelessly incomplete
answer to the question.
>>2) How can the transition be simplified?
> It can't. Changing a big network that carries millions of dollars
> worth of traffic every day is never simple.
Ok, I'll accept that answer for now. My gut tells me, however, that
simply not enough thought has gone into it.
>>3) Most importantly, how can the transition be incentified?
> By pushing requests up the supply chain which is one thing that
> governments are trying to do by mandating that publicly funded
> agencies begin migrating to IPv6.
Ok, after we get all those publicly-funded agencies to IPv6, then all we
have to worry about is all the rest of the Internet.
>>There are a lot of smart people on this list, but you need to
>>step back from your techno-jargon and put your collective
>>brains to use to deal with practical issues.
Why should we bother to deal with practical issues? I guess it is
outside the scope of ARIN to be practical? Sigh. Come to think of it,
that would explain the idiotic economies-of-scale ARIN established for
It might be good for society if lots of ISPs go bankrupt
> because they hit a brick wall and are unable to grow their
> networks two to three years from now, just as the economic
> recovery picks up steam. We don't need everybody to do the
> right thing. In fact, if only a dozen national/regional ISPs
> do the right thing, it will probably be good enough because
> they will snap up the assets of their competition in three
> years and roll out more of their successful IPv6 deployment.
I totally agree. I am completely against small businesses and the
innovation they bring to the market-place.
>>over it. This should be a technical battle, not a legal one.
> Wrong story. This is ARIN, not a place for technical battles,
> but a place for cost-recovery, stewardship, and prudent
I'm making notes so I don't make that mistake again. This is ARIN, so
we should never talk about anything practical or technical. Wait, is it
possible to be prudent without being practical?
>>Anyway, once the renewal costs were equalized, then ARIN, et
>>al, should ratchet up those annual renewal costs until IPv4
>>address space usage reaches steady-state. This would not
>>solve the transition issues, but it would provide the
>>economic incentive for all you really smart people to figure it out.
> I fear that such action would simply create huge economic incentives
> for someone to privatize ARIN in such a way that they make a huge
> personal fortune from the piles of cash which you want to send in.
> This is getting more like a Slashdot thread every second...
Wow, it appears I really hit a nerve. Mandate that the money be sent to
charity or use it to build 200-foot dikes around New Orleans. Or use it
to buy back the legacy space. Obviously nobody on this list cares about
establishing simple market-based incentives to get IPv6 moving.
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