[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: IPv4 Recovery Fund

Tom Vest tvest at pch.net
Mon Nov 24 13:59:45 EST 2008

The fallacy that you seek to institutionalize is that "a market" would  
not in itself make IPv4 addresses more expensive.

We have the secret to the 200mpg car here. If the provider community  
decides to stick with the gas guzzlers, and thereby "allow" the price  
of gas over time to induce the "general public" to select something  
that they don't know about or generally care about, it's not going to  
make for a very pretty story down the line.


On Nov 24, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote:

> Kevin Kargel:
>> Why are so many people working so hard to make IP as expensive as
>> possible?
> The fallacy which you repeat again and again is that allowing market
> transfers of ipv4 makes ipv4 addresses "more expensive." It does not.
> What makes ipv4 addresses expensive is their scarcity (i.e., the
> existence of more demand for them than supply). The price merely
> reflects the level of scarcity. Even if there are no visible prices  
> and
> no organized transfer mechanisms, ipv4 addresses will become "more
> expensive" in the sense of "harder to get." More resources will have  
> to
> be expended by ISPs and anyone else to get them. If the transfer
> processes are poorly organized, nontransparent and based on subjective
> criteria --THAT is what will make ipv4 addresses more expensive. If
> there is no economic incentive to return things to availability, THAT
> will make ipv4 addresses more expensive (harder to get).
> Milton Mueller
> Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies
> XS4All Professor, Delft University of Technology
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