[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: IPv4 Recovery Fund

Kevin Kargel kkargel at polartel.com
Mon Nov 24 12:23:29 EST 2008

-----Original Message-----
From: Eliot Lear [mailto:lear at cisco.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 9:24 AM
To: Kevin Kargel; ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: IPv4 Recovery Fund

On 11/24/08 3:35 PM, Kevin Kargel wrote:
> The problem with the buyer and seller interacting directly, IMHO, is
> that it excludes the rest of the community from the loop and does not
> offer fair chase to the community in search of netblocks that would
> ordinarily be returned to the pool.

>What pool do you expect to exist, and what community interest will be 
>served by collecting address blocks?


That same old saw..  and it still doesn't fly..

The pool will exist as it does today...  Even if the pool is empty there
is still a pool...

Who said anything about collecting address blocks?  Allocate them..  but
ARIN should do it..  Throwing brokers and traders in to the mix will
just complicate and raise cost.

I keep hearing the same arguments from the folks that want to be IP
traders.. it doesn't fly for any reason other than "I want to make money
trading address blocks and rip off the consumer even more"..  

By removing the open access to IP allocation from the community you will
seriously damage the community.  Competition should be an open and fair
exercise.  P2P trading will just engender clique business that will put
the small business out of the business.

Why are so many people working so hard to make IP as expensive as

The system that is in place now is working fine and it will continue to
work through and past IPv4 exhaustion..  the only difference will be
that you won't make so much money in the artificial market and the
consumers won't have to pay so much to cover the artificial costs.  And
don't give me that bogus line about fictitious costs that the consumer
is going to have to bear anyway.

IPV4 is going away.  There are finite addresses.  NO transition policy
will create more addresses (except the one called IPv6).  Recoverable
addresses will have vary limited effect on the world.  When the
addresses run out they run out.  Extending the runout date by weeks or
months is trivial in the scheme of things and does not justify raping
the consumer.

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