[arin-ppml] Is this more desired than aTransferPolicy? Needinput

Jo Rhett jrhett at svcolo.com
Thu Nov 20 02:24:35 EST 2008

On Nov 19, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> Exactly.  Most LARGE companies.  As in, most cash-rich, forklift
> upgrade all PC"s every 3 years so they are all the same, with a
> large MS site licese, companies.
> Why exactly are we worried about these companies?  They have the
> cash to go to IPv6.  And if they are doing rolled-out OS upgrades
> then they are running XP or Vista and can turn on IPv6 quite
> easily by just rolling out a config change to all seats.

Because these are the same companies who will need 14-18 man-years of  
effort just to evaluate IPv6 implementation in their business-critical  

>> The comparative cost of doing the application conformance
>> tests alone,
>> assuming all of their switches, routers and firewalls are
>> already IPv6
>> compliant, dwarfs that cost.
> I simply disagree.  You have to do the same amount of application
> conformance
> testing when your going to a new Windows OS.  Consider the millions of
> bucks these companies are paying Microsoft every year for their MS
> site licenses.  IPv6 rollouts require NO licensing fees!

Have you ever done conformance testing for a mid-large business which  
is not an ISP?  Given your response, I can see the answer is clearly no.

> I don't see that learning
> about IPv6 is any tougher than the transition from MS Domain-style
> networking to MS Active Directory.

Good data point, let's examine that.  Most companies took 10 years to  
make that change, and had 3 or more failed rollout attempts before  
they succeeded.  Estimated cost to a 200-person company I was  
consulting for at the time was in excess of 20 million dollars.  Yes,  
that cost was $100k per desktop machine.

Again, they received a perceived advantage by making this change.    
There is no real or perceived advantage (today) to deploying IPv6.   
They aren't going to even start this project until they are forced to.

> Your average network admin wasn't considering that they would have to
> go to 64-bit machines and replace all their server hardware when they
> went to the new version of Exchange, but they managed it.
> Your average software developer is paid to know these things.  If
> they don't then customers will stop buying their software and go
> to a competitors software that does know better.
> I think you are simply not giving credibility to the abilities of
> the average network admin.  I'd rather operate from the position that
> these folks will be able to manage this transition just as they  
> managed
> every other transition.

I spent 20 years working with network admins, and consulting mid-large  
companies at the highest levels on technology.   I know what skill  
levels are available in the administrator level, and I know intimately  
what their costs are for major migrations.   Your attempt to map a  
major, touch *EVERYTHING* networking change to a simple server  
replacement suggests that you don't grasp this problem at all.

Please take a step back and consider the real effects.  Go talk to a  
network administrator at a mid-size company who is not a technology  
provider, but depends on technology.

And I don't mean to be rude, but it's clear that your beliefs outweigh  
any actual experience to the contrary, so I'm going to stop replying.

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