[arin-ppml] The Library Book Approach to IPv4 Scarcity
cgrundemann at gmail.com
Wed Nov 12 11:23:47 EST 2008
sorry, that was allude
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 09:15, Chris Grundemann <cgrundemann at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 05:46, Kevin Kargel <kkargel at polartel.com> wrote:
>> You are not alone Seth.. The old school types with ethics will stick up for
>> the small guy and the anarchist.. It is the new types that care only about
>> maximizing short term profit from the internet that are pushing these
>> unnecessary rules.
> I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement. For one thing, the
> short term profit guys are the ones pushing paid transfers, hard.
> This (non)proposal is attempting to minimize the short term profit
> affects and enable a realistic transition to IPv6. It further
> attempts to keep the system open and not controlled by a few large
> players who have the money to buy up all that space (where do the
> small guys and anarchists stand on this?). I wish that this type of
> rule was in fact unnecessary, but people and organizations are proving
> that they will not do what is right unless they are paid (somehow) to
> do it. Lastly, worrying more about the opex required to maintain
> efficient IP utilization than the good it does for the rest of the
> community sounds much more like a short term profit focused view than
> the old-school ethics and anarchy you elude to...
>> Keep it up..
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
>>> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 12:18 AM
>>> To: ppml at arin.net
>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] The Library Book Approach to IPv4 Scarcity
>>> Jo Rhett wrote:
>>> > On Nov 11, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>>> >> The system seems to favor entities consuming space and
>>> wanting more.
>>> >> I assume I'll never request more space (I am not an ISP,
>>> so customer
>>> >> growth has no relation to my usage) or by the time I
>>> would, the lack
>>> >> of
>>> >> IPv4 space will prohibit an additional request. I don't feel it's
>>> >> fair be punished because I'm trying to be responsible with
>>> what I have.
>>> > Seth, get off with the "being punished". Do you have a copy of the
>>> > justification you used to get the space? Update it to
>>> reflect reality
>>> > and viola, you have everything you need. It probably will take you
>>> > less time than you have already spent on this thread.
>>> Somebody has to stick up for the tiny networks; might as well be me.
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