[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: IPv4 Recovery Fund

[Tom Vest]

Hi KC,

I think the meta-lesson of all of the surrounding debates is that  
market structure matters; some clearly entail big, potentially fatal  
problems, and some don't.
If market structure matters, and there is no structure today, then we  
are stuck with the challenge of designing and launching the market.

I say this because I think you're request is slightly flawed, or at  
least incomplete. There are probably some markets that are functioning  
reasonably well today (e.g., real estate in most advanced industrial  
economies), that were only established with, to put it diplomatically,  
some complications. If they were being established for the first time  
today, under modern conditions (whatever you happen to think they  
are), then they might look quite different than they do now.

Thus, if you want a useful list, you might want to request a specific  
focus on "X" that have been exchanged only recently, or that have  
undergone a significant change of allocation mechanism in recent times  
-- or else ask also for some consideration of how they were  
established in the first place.

Even then, the challenge will be to distinguish the relevant  
significance of (x1,x2,x3...) in terms of their function, scarcity,  
substitutability, and importance in the 21st c. economy -- and to  
match that up against the same judgments for IP number resources.

I suspect that will be a much more challenging and contentious task  
than the one you initially proposed, but also a much more productive  
one.

Cheers,

TV

On Nov 24, 2008, at 11:41 AM, k claffy wrote:

>
>
> (old song, new lyrics)
> it's poetic to see technocrats responding to the failure of a
> technocracy with "throw the technocrats out, replace them with
> code!" tho it fails to appreciate the non-technocrat response
> to the same failure: throw the technocrats out and replace
> them with a kind of [monk]-cracy that has't been tried yet.
> since underneath the layers of technocrats in all RIR regions
> are layers of non-technocrats, let's acknowledge the need to
> cover our bases.  to that end,
>
> can we come up with a list of things in society that are traded,
> that we consider important, and that are traded (1) without
> mediation and (2) with mediation.  and then compare each list to
> ip addresses, and see which category it seems more like?
>
> given that almost everything i buy today is either taxed or
> otherwise regulated by some agency, this exercise might be
> challenging, but someone one this list might have time to write
> a ~5-page essay summarizing 10 hours of research?  if noone
> volunteers, AC council folks?
>
> positions like 'X is traded with mediation, but it shouldn't
> be, which changes our conclusion' belong in an appendix;
> this community needs some documents thoroughly based on
> historical and present facts on the ground.
>
> k
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 03:34:30AM -0500, Ray Plzak wrote:
>  What if the monkey must do something to attest to the right to use  
> of the person acquiring the resource?
>
>  Ray
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml- 
> bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Randy Bush
>  Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 12:31 PM
>  To: Leo Bicknell
>  Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
>  Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: IPv4 Recovery Fund
>
>  what i do not understand about this scheme is how inserting a  
> monkey in
>  the middle of every trade is gonna be better for the internet than  
> the
>  buyer and seller transacting directly.  i can see why it is good  
> for the
>  monkey, but not for the redistribution of ipv4 space.
>
>  randy
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