[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Equitable DistributionofIPv4Resources before IPv4 Run out
Michael Thomas - Mathbox
mike at mathbox.com
Thu May 22 15:22:25 EDT 2008
Ted,
At the risk of receiving the wrath of the PPML Gods...
> X-small: 61 cents/year
X-Large fee is up to a /14. Anything over a /14 is no charge. So, you cannot
apply a single divisor that applies to all X-Large. The /8 that they may
also have is FREE. Most X-Large pay less than $.01 per IP.
> The fact of the matter is that on a per-IP basis, the smaller
> allocations cost everyone on the Internet more money per customer,
> because we have to carry more route entries for the same number
It is a two-way street...
> of customers, so I am perfectly contented with the "smaller allocation
> tax" of more cents per IP per year
Exactly how much of that "tax-the-poor" does your company collect? Other
than providing a barrier to competition, how does it benefit your company?
Michael Thomas
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Ted Mittelstaedt
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 2:32 PM
> To: 'Charlie Sawyer'; arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Equitable
> DistributionofIPv4Resources before IPv4 Run out
>
>
> Hey, whatever your smoking, I want some!
>
> ARIN -does- charge per IP address. I may have imbibed
> a number of hallucinogenic substances over the years but
> the bill we get from them every year is most definitely
> NOT a figment of my imagination!
>
> Or were you under the impression that ARIN was funded by
> Tinker Bell and friends?
>
> In case you were, here is the ARIN fee schedule:
>
> http://www.arin.net/billing/fee_schedule.html
>
> Fees per IP address:
>
> X-small: 61 cents/year
> Small: 28 cents/year
> Medium: 6 cents/year
> Large: 3 cents/year
>
> and so forth.
>
> The fact of the matter is that on a per-IP basis, the smaller
> allocations cost everyone on the Internet more money per customer,
> because we have to carry more route entries for the same number
> of customers, so I am perfectly contented with the "smaller allocation
> tax" of more cents per IP per year
>
> If you go to Costco the giant bundle of toilet paper also costs
> less per roll. That's just how things work in life.
>
> But the idea that ARIN isn't charging money for IP's is rediculous.
>
>
> Ted
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
> > [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Charlie Sawyer
> > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:04 AM
> > To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Equitable
> > Distribution ofIPv4Resources before IPv4 Run out
> >
> >
> > Ip do have value, as any business using the web to generate a
> > revenue stream can tell you. If Arin charged per ip, I doubt
> > we would be
> > running out of IP' addresses any time in the near future.
> You would
> > see a lot of IP addresses being returned that were not in
> > use, at the very least.
> >
> > Supply and demand with free market can solve many issues.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Charlie Sawyer
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
> > [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Ted Mittelstaedt
> > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 12:25 PM
> > To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Equitable
> > Distribution of IPv4Resources before IPv4 Run out
> >
> >
> > I support the idea of trying to equalize the last bit of
> > IPv4 address distribution, which this proposal is trying
> > to address.
> >
> > However, I think that while the moral is a Good Thing, there
> > is no practical way to mandate it.
> >
> > If this proposal were to be supported I would ask that the
> > author modify it so that at the least, there would be an
> > automatic expiration to this.
> >
> > The cold hard fact of the matter is that ANY isp or other
> > "small or Very Small" organization that is NOT requesting
> > IP addressing at this time to meet their projected future
> > needs, is likely to get shafted when IPv4 runs out.
> >
> > On the day of IPv4 runout, if an ISP or organization does
> > not have a supply of IPv4 to carry them forward for the
> > immediate future, due to lack of planning, then I daresay
> > they DESERVE to go bankrupt.
> >
> > Do we really want network administrators who aren't paying
> > attention to the gas guage to be driving the Internet into
> the future?
> >
> > Ted
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
> > > [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Member Services
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 7:37 AM
> > > To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> > > Subject: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Equitable Distribution
> > > of IPv4 Resources before IPv4 Run out
> > >
> > >
> > > ARIN received the following policy proposal. In accordance
> > > with the ARIN Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process,
> > > the proposal is being posted to the ARIN Public Policy
> > > Mailing List (PPML) and being placed on ARIN's website.
> > >
> > > The ARIN Advisory Council (AC) will review this proposal at
> > > their next regularly scheduled meeting. The AC may decide to:
> > >
> > > 1. Accept the proposal as written. If the AC accepts
> > > the proposal, it will be posted as a formal policy proposal
> > > to PPML and it will be presented at a Public Policy Meeting.
> > >
> > > 2. Postpone their decision regarding the proposal until
> > > the next regularly scheduled AC meeting in order to work with
> > > the author. The AC will work with the author to clarify,
> > > combine or divide the proposal. At their following meeting
> > > the AC will accept or not accept the proposal.
> > >
> > > 3. Not accept the proposal. If the AC does not accept
> > > the proposal, the AC will explain their decision via the
> > > PPML. If a proposal is not accepted, then the author may
> > > elect to use the petition process to advance their proposal.
> > > If the author elects not to petition or the petition fails,
> > > then the proposal will be closed.
> > >
> > > The AC will assign shepherds in the near future. ARIN will
> > > provide the names of the shepherds to the community via the PPML.
> > >
> > > In the meantime, the AC invites everyone to comment on this
> > > proposal on the PPML, particularly their support or
> > > non-support and the reasoning behind their opinion. Such
> > > participation contributes to a thorough vetting and provides
> > > important guidance to the AC in their deliberations.
> > >
> > > The ARIN Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process can be
> > > found at: http://www.arin.net/policy/irpep.html
> > >
> > > Mailing list subscription information can be found at:
> > > http://www.arin.net/mailing_lists/
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Member Services
> > > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
> > >
> > >
> > > ## * ##
> > >
> > >
> > > Policy Proposal Name: Equitable Distribution of IPv4
> > > Resources before IPv4 Run out
> > >
> > > Author: Michael K. Smith
> > >
> > > Proposal Version: 1
> > >
> > > Submission Date: 05/20/2008
> > >
> > > Proposal type: new
> > >
> > > Policy term: permanent
> > >
> > > Policy statement:
> > >
> > > Upon receipt of the last allocation of IPv4 address space to
> > > ARIN from IANA, ARIN will reserve address space within the
> > > allocated block for Organizations within the defined ARIN
> > > Organizational Size determinations (Extra Small, Small,
> > > Large, Extra Large) based upon the utilization percentages
> > > for each group gathered from the statistics of the last two
> > > IANA allocations to ARIN. In order to make the allocation
> > > percentages mathematically feasible, the percentages will be
> > > rounded to the closest whole number and, subsequently, the
> > > the closest bit boundary for assignment the maximum
> > > allocation size for the Organization size as defined by ARIN.
> > >
> > > Once the final IANA allocation is received, ARIN will publish
> > > the allocation percentages that will be used for the final
> > > allocation to the PPML and ARIN website with the necessary
> > > documentation supporting the assignment of percentages.
> > >
> > > Rationale:
> > >
> > > Description:
> > >
> > > This policy is designed to allow Organizations of the various
> > > defined sizes to continue to receive address allocations from
> > > the last available space and is slanted towards ensuring that
> > > organizations within the Large, Small and Extra Small groups
> > > (and more specifically, the Small and Extra Small groups) are
> > > able to get additional IPv4 space at the end of the ARIN's
> > > ability to allocate such space. Given the statistics below,
> > > it is likely that Extra Large Organizations would get most or
> > > all of the last remaining space because given the amount they
> > > have been allocated to date. This policy would help ensure
> > > that other Organizations had a statistically equal
> > > opportunity to receive space as well.
> > >
> > >
> > > Example:
> > >
> > > Please see http://www.arin.net/statistics/index.html (Note:
> > > the statistics are generated from IP allocations from 2006
> > > and 2007). This policy would require statistics to be
> > > limited to the previous 2 IANA allocations to ARIN.)
> > >
> > > The present distribution as of May 20th 2008 is:
> > >
> > > Extra Large: 83.11%
> > > Large: 6.75%
> > > Small: 9.00%
> > > Extra Small: 1.14%
> > >
> > > With this example, ARIN would reserve address space in the
> > > final IANA allocation according to those percentages, to the
> > > extent that it is mathematically possible within the existing
> > > range. In order to make the math work, rounding would give us:
> > >
> > > Extra Large: 83%
> > > Large: 7%
> > > Small: 9%
> > > Extra Small: 1%
> > >
> > > Who is affected:
> > >
> > > All ARIN Members will be affected by this policy. I assume
> > > that smaller providers will benefit from having some space
> > > available to them beyond where they would be with an organic
> > > allocation model, and the Extra Large Organizations would
> > > experience some pain because, using the model above, they
> > > would be excluded from being allocated 17% of the remaining
> > > space, even if they had all of the necessary justifications
> > > for receiving allocations from within that space.
> > >
> > > Policy Enforcement:
> > >
> > > ARIN staff will have to enforce this policy and ensure that
> > > allocations stay within the published percentages.
> > >
> > > Financial and Liability Implications:
> > >
> > > Financially, there may be additional resources required by
> > > ARIN Staff to allocate resources using this model. These
> > > resources might include application development, staff
> > > training and tracking of allocations based upon the model.
> > >
> > > ARIN may have legal liability should Organizations that were
> > > denied space according to the model decide to contest the
> > > legality of the policy in court.
> > >
> > > Timetable for implementation: Upon receipt of finall IANA
> > > allocation (roughly 2011).
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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