[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Equitable Distribution ofIPv4Resources before IPv4 Run out

Thu May 22 14:32:12 EDT 2008

Hey, whatever your smoking, I want some!

ARIN -does- charge per IP address.  I may have imbibed
a number of hallucinogenic substances over the years but
the bill we get from them every year is most definitely
NOT a figment of my imagination!

Or were you under the impression that ARIN was funded by
Tinker Bell and friends?

In case you were, here is the ARIN fee schedule:

http://www.arin.net/billing/fee_schedule.html

Fees per IP address:

X-small:  61 cents/year
Small:  28 cents/year
Medium: 6 cents/year
Large:  3 cents/year

and so forth.

The fact of the matter is that on a per-IP basis, the smaller
allocations cost everyone on the Internet more money per customer,
because we have to carry more route entries for the same number
of customers, so I am perfectly contented with the "smaller allocation
tax" of more cents per IP per year

If you go to Costco the giant bundle of toilet paper also costs
less per roll.  That's just how things work in life.

But the idea that ARIN isn't charging money for IP's is rediculous.

Ted

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net 
> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Charlie Sawyer
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 11:04 AM
> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Equitable 
> Distribution ofIPv4Resources before IPv4 Run out
> 
> 
> Ip do have value, as any business using the web to generate a 
> revenue stream can tell you.  If Arin charged per ip, I doubt 
> we would be
> running out of IP' addresses any time in the near future.   You would
> see a lot of IP addresses being returned that were not in 
> use, at the very least.
> 
> Supply and demand with free market can solve many issues.  
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Charlie Sawyer
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net 
> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Ted Mittelstaedt
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 12:25 PM
> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Equitable 
> Distribution of IPv4Resources before IPv4 Run out
> 
> 
> I support the idea of trying to equalize the last bit of
> IPv4 address distribution, which this proposal is trying
> to address.
> 
> However, I think that while the moral is a Good Thing, there
> is no practical way to mandate it.
> 
> If this proposal were to be supported I would ask that the 
> author modify it so that at the least, there would be an 
> automatic expiration to this.
> 
> The cold hard fact of the matter is that ANY isp or other 
> "small or Very Small" organization that is NOT requesting
> IP addressing at this time to meet their projected future 
> needs, is likely to get shafted when IPv4 runs out.
> 
> On the day of IPv4 runout, if an ISP or organization does
> not have a supply of IPv4 to carry them forward for the 
> immediate future, due to lack of planning, then I daresay 
> they DESERVE to go bankrupt.
> 
> Do we really want network administrators who aren't paying 
> attention to the gas guage to be driving the Internet into the future?
> 
> Ted
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
> > [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Member Services
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 7:37 AM
> > To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Equitable Distribution 
> > of IPv4 Resources before IPv4 Run out
> > 
> > 
> > ARIN received the following policy proposal. In accordance
> > with the ARIN Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process, 
> > the proposal is being posted to the ARIN Public Policy 
> > Mailing List (PPML) and being placed on ARIN's website.
> > 
> > The ARIN Advisory Council (AC) will review this proposal at
> > their next regularly scheduled meeting. The AC may decide to:
> > 
> >       1. Accept the proposal as written. If the AC accepts
> > the proposal, it will be posted as a formal policy proposal 
> > to PPML and it will be presented at a Public Policy Meeting.
> > 
> >       2. Postpone their decision regarding the proposal until
> > the next regularly scheduled AC meeting in order to work with 
> > the author. The AC will work with the author to clarify, 
> > combine or divide the proposal. At their following meeting 
> > the AC will accept or not accept the proposal.
> > 
> >       3. Not accept the proposal. If the AC does not accept
> > the proposal, the AC will explain their decision via the 
> > PPML. If a proposal is not accepted, then the author may 
> > elect to use the petition process to advance their proposal. 
> > If the author elects not to petition or the petition fails, 
> > then the proposal will be closed.
> > 
> > The AC will assign shepherds in the near future. ARIN will
> > provide the names of the shepherds to the community via the PPML.
> > 
> > In the meantime, the AC invites everyone to comment on this
> > proposal on the PPML, particularly their support or 
> > non-support and the reasoning behind their opinion. Such 
> > participation contributes to a thorough vetting and provides 
> > important guidance to the AC in their deliberations.
> > 
> > The ARIN Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process can be
> > found at: http://www.arin.net/policy/irpep.html
> > 
> > Mailing list subscription information can be found at:
> > http://www.arin.net/mailing_lists/
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Member Services
> > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
> > 
> > 
> > ## * ##
> > 
> > 
> > Policy Proposal Name: Equitable Distribution of IPv4
> > Resources before IPv4 Run out
> > 
> > Author: Michael K. Smith
> > 
> > Proposal Version: 1
> > 
> > Submission Date: 05/20/2008
> > 
> > Proposal type: new
> > 
> > Policy term: permanent
> > 
> > Policy statement:
> > 
> > Upon receipt of the last allocation of IPv4 address space to
> > ARIN from IANA, ARIN will reserve address space within the 
> > allocated block for Organizations within the defined ARIN 
> > Organizational Size determinations (Extra Small, Small, 
> > Large, Extra Large) based upon the utilization percentages 
> > for each group gathered from the statistics of the last two 
> > IANA allocations to ARIN.  In order to make the allocation 
> > percentages mathematically feasible, the percentages will be 
> > rounded to the closest whole number and, subsequently, the 
> > the closest bit boundary for assignment the maximum 
> > allocation size for the Organization size as defined by ARIN.
> > 
> > Once the final IANA allocation is received, ARIN will publish
> > the allocation percentages that will be used for the final 
> > allocation to the PPML and ARIN website with the necessary 
> > documentation supporting the assignment of percentages.
> > 
> > Rationale:
> > 
> > Description:
> > 
> > This policy is designed to allow Organizations of the various
> > defined sizes to continue to receive address allocations from 
> > the last available space and is slanted towards ensuring that 
> > organizations within the Large, Small and Extra Small groups 
> > (and more specifically, the Small and Extra Small groups) are 
> > able to get additional IPv4 space at the end of the ARIN's 
> > ability to allocate such space.  Given the statistics below, 
> > it is likely that Extra Large Organizations would get most or 
> > all of the last remaining space because given the amount they 
> > have been allocated to date.  This policy would help ensure 
> > that other Organizations had a statistically equal 
> > opportunity to receive space as well.
> > 
> > 
> > Example:
> > 
> > Please see http://www.arin.net/statistics/index.html (Note:
> > the statistics are generated from IP allocations from 2006 
> > and 2007).  This policy would require statistics to be 
> > limited to the previous 2 IANA allocations to ARIN.)
> > 
> > The present distribution as of May 20th 2008 is:
> > 
> > Extra Large: 83.11%
> > Large: 6.75%
> > Small: 9.00%
> > Extra Small: 1.14%
> > 
> > With this example, ARIN would reserve address space in the
> > final IANA allocation according to those percentages, to the 
> > extent that it is mathematically possible within the existing 
> > range. In order to make the math work, rounding would give us:
> > 
> > Extra Large: 83%
> > Large: 7%
> > Small: 9%
> > Extra Small: 1%
> > 
> > Who is affected:
> > 
> > All ARIN Members will be affected by this policy.  I assume
> > that smaller providers will benefit from having some space 
> > available to them beyond where they would be with an organic 
> > allocation model, and the Extra Large Organizations would 
> > experience some pain because, using the model above, they 
> > would be excluded from being allocated 17% of the remaining 
> > space, even if they had all of the necessary justifications 
> > for receiving allocations from within that space.
> > 
> > Policy Enforcement:
> > 
> > ARIN staff will have to enforce this policy and ensure that
> > allocations stay within the published percentages.
> > 
> > Financial and Liability Implications:
> > 
> > Financially, there may be additional resources required by
> > ARIN Staff to allocate resources using this model.  These 
> > resources might include application development, staff 
> > training and tracking of allocations based upon the model.
> > 
> > ARIN may have legal liability should Organizations that were
> > denied space according to the model decide to contest the 
> > legality of the policy in court.
> > 
> > Timetable for implementation:  Upon receipt of finall IANA
> > allocation (roughly 2011).
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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