[arin-ppml] Proposed Petition Process for New PDP -- Comments Due 9May

[David Farmer]

I see the point about the perception that the staff may be holding up some 
thing, and I agree it would be good to avoid that perception.  However, I 
think there are other reasons to still have this step.  This is not the only 
check on Staff interference there are other remedies through executive 
oversight by the board, especially if there is a chronic issue.  

But, this step could be important to deal with process abuse by a member of 
the community.  If the staff finds that a policy is is not clear and the author or 
originator can't find some minimal support thorough the PPML, then why is it 
a good use of limited AC resources to even consider it further?

In Robert's Rules of Order, Motions are generally required to be seconded, 
a primary reason for this is to insure that there is at least someone else 
supporting the Motion before it is considered, and to insure no single person 
can abuse the process.  The Second is generally a formality, almost always 
someone Seconds a Motion, but every once and a while a Motion get no 
Second and the Motion is Lost.

So I would prefer as Owen originally proposed that the step be preserved 
but the threshold lowered, I'd say maybe even down to two or even one  
other person(s) from a different organization(s).  Basically, if you can't get 
someone to second the motion why should it be considered.  Additionally, if 
the issue is an important one, even if it can't clearly and concisely articulate, 
the community will likely make that evident through this step.  

Just a thought before the land slides out from under this step.

On 9 May 2008 Alexander, Daniel wrote:

> This is only my opinion, but I feel step 1b should be modified. This
> step allows for a review period between the originator and ARIN staff
> with a max of 15 days to address issues. If issues cannot be resolved,
> the originator may utilize the petition process to move the proposal
> forward to the AC. 
>  
> I think this is overly complicated, and the petition process should
> not be involved in this step. This is because the petition process
> should not be required for an originator to get a proposal presented
> to the AC, that they elected to represent the community. While the
> experience of ARIN staff is extremely valuable, it is contradictory to
> the bottom up process that staff have the ability to deny a community
> proposal, even if the petition process is available. It just paints an
> awkward picture. 
>
>  It would be cleaner if the staff had the 15 day review period to try
> and resolve any issues, and then forward it on for the AC to consider. 
>  
> My two cents,
>  
> Dan Alexander
> ARIN AC
>  
> 
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> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net on behalf of Member Services
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> Subject: [arin-ppml] Proposed Petition Process for New PDP -- Comments Due 9May
> 
> 
> 
> Recent comments on the PPML have requested more detail regarding the
> petition process. The proposed Policy Development Process (PDP)
> increases the number of petition points from two (2) to four (4). The
> threshold levels and process activity for these petitions are in
> consonance with the existing petition process. The details of the
> petition process are provided in the text below.
> 
> REMINDER:  Please post your opinions to arin-ppml at arin.net
> <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net> no later than 5 PM EDT, Friday, 9 May 2008.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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> 
> OVERVIEW
> 
> The proposed PDP is intended to bring forth clear, technically sound and
> useful policy; reduce overlapping policy proposals; require both staff
> and legal assessments before discussion; give adequate opportunity for
> discussion prior to each public policy meeting; and provide a means of
> review prior to possible adoption.  The proposed PDP empowers the ARIN
> Advisory Council by shifting its scope from a policy advisory body to a
> policy development body while providing checks and balances and
> maintains an open and transparent process. The checks and balances are
> provided through the means to petition at various points in the PDP.
> 
> THE PETITION PROCESS
> 
> At each point in the process where a decision is made there is a means
> for this decision to be overruled.
> 
> 1. Submittal Petition. [10 days, maximum]
> 
> If the staff and originator cannot reach an agreement on clear and
> understandable text, the originator may make a Submittal Petition and
> send the proposal to PPML and request community support to have the
> proposal forwarded to the AC for review. The originator is responsible
> for initiating the petition on the PPML (within 5 business days of a
> good faith effort to reach agreement or after the end of the process
> time limit for this step); the message must include the proposal and a
> petition statement. The petition duration is 5 business days. The ARIN
> President determines if the petition succeeds. Success is support from
> at least 5 different people from 5 different organizations.
> 
> 2. Discussion Petition. [10 days, maximum]
> 
> If any member of the community, including a proposal originator, is
> dissatisfied with the AC action on a policy proposal they can initiate a
> Discussion Petition to move this particular proposal to the PPML for
> discussion as a draft policy. Anyone may initiate the petition on the
> PPML (within 5 business days of publication of the AC's decision or
> after the end of the process time limit for this step); the petition
> must include the proposal and a petition statement. The petition
> duration is 5 business days. The ARIN President determines if the
> petition succeeds. Success is support from at least 10 different people
> from 10 different organizations.
> 
> 3. Last Call Petition. [10 days, maximum]
> 
> If any member of the community, including a proposal originator, is
> dissatisfied with the AC action on a draft policy they can initiate a
> Last Call Petition to move this particular draft policy to the PPML for
> last call. Anyone may initiate the petition on the PPML (within 5
> business days of the publication of the AC's decision or after the end
> of the process time limit for this step); the petition must include the
> draft policy and a petition statement. The petition duration is 5
> business days. The ARIN President determines if the petition succeeds.
> Success is support from at least 10 different people from 10 different
> organizations.
> 
> 4. Board of Trustees Consideration Petition. [10 days, maximum]
> 
> If any member of the community is dissatisfied with the AC action on a
> draft policy they can initiate a Board of Trustees Consideration
> Petition to move this particular draft policy for consideration by the
> Board of Trustees. Anyone may initiate the petition on the PPML (within
> 5 business days of the publication of the AC's decision or after the end
> of the process time limit for this step); the petition must include the
> draft policy and a petition statement. The petition duration is 5
> business days. The ARIN President determines if the petition succeeds.
> Success is support from at least 10 different people from 10 different
> organizations.
> 
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