[arin-ppml] Q1 - ARIN address transfer policy: why thetriggerdate?

Robert E. Seastrom ppml at rs.seastrom.com
Sat Jun 21 08:24:47 EDT 2008

Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> writes:

> On Jun 20, 2008, at 5:21 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
>> In a message written on Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 07:27:31PM -0400,  
>> Milton L Mueller wrote:
>>> Those conditions are ridiculous. Or rather, as Owen and Leo have
>>> basically confessed in public, they were designed by people who don't
>>> want there to be transfer markets at all.
>> I believe this incorrectly states the history.
>> The AC developed this proposal together.  Of the 15 members several
>> are quite pro-market, several are quite anti-market, many are
>> somewhere in the middle..  If anything it could be called a  
>> "bipartisen
>> bill".
>> My own history is that I was mildly pro-market prior to the AC
>> taking on the task of developing the policy proposal.  As I considered
>> the options seriously and in-depth I moved to a anti-market position.
>> Some on the AC did just the opposite.
> I also started out mildly pro-market although I absolutely opposed an
> unregulated market.  Indeed, it is watching the discussion and the
> process of attempting to develop appropriate regulations for such
> a market which caused me to move to an anit-market position.

And for a counterexample, I started as quite anti-market, hoping that
runout with absolutely no contingency plan for transfer of addresses
would speed v6 adoption.  I'm still concerned that creating a market
will dull perceptions about the finality of run-out; we emphatically
do not want to promulgate the belief that it will be business mostly
as usual except with higher prices.

On the other hand, the market exists right now, it's just unregulated
and shadowy because it is prohibited by policy.  Acknowledging the
existence of the market and putting a modicum of regulation on it is
certainly in the interest of the buyers, and likely in the interest of
the sellers as well, since fair pricing can be established on more
than an anecdotal basis.

So I'm somewhat pro-market at this time.

Disclaimer here is that I'm one of a minority of people on the AC who
has personal or employer-assigned legacy space.  I'm not planning on
getting rid of any of my /23 as it is needed for my own activities,
and I think we're all in the same boat on that point.


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