[arin-ppml] Q2: on Address Transfers - Overkill on the freezeperiod?

[Robert E. Seastrom]

Note that these are both restrictions on the transferor, not the transferee.

The goal here is to create a situation where organizations *who are
not using their address space* are incented to give up some or all of
it.  While there may indeed be corner cases where organizations
suddenly don't need any of their addresses, in the vast majority of
situations demand has been following some sort of curve over time and
either increasing (in which case in all probability the organization
will be a transferee in the future) or decreasing (in which case the
organization will not have been back to ARIN in a while) or remained
constant (in which case, the organization might not even be an ARIN
member, having pre-RIR space).

There is no goal of creating a market where people can speculate, and
the two year pre-transfer clause helps mitigate concerns about ARIN
having to deal with fabricated requests creating a run on the market.

I am categorically against having any shorter period of time than two
years or getting rid of the before/after dual restriction.  I would be
an enthusiastic proponent of expanding the timeouts on both sides of
the event to three years or whatever the time between "right now" and
the best guesstimate of IPv4 ARIN-exhaustion-of-final-block is,
whichever is less.

                                        ---Rob

"Milton L Mueller" <mueller at syr.edu> writes:

> Oops, I pasted the wrong text in. 
> Here is the selection from 8.3.1. apologies to all:
>
> * The transferor has not received any IPv4 allocations or assignments
> from ARIN (through ordinary allocations or assignments, or through this
> Simple Transfer policy) within the preceding 24 months.
> * The transferor may not request any IPv4 allocations or assignments
> from ARIN (through ordinary allocations or assignments, or through this
> Simple Transfer policy) within the subsequent 24 months.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> 
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Leo Bicknell [mailto:bicknell at ufp.org]
>> >
>> > Correction, a 2 year time out on IPv4 resources only.
>> 
>> Nope. 4 years. You can't have gotten any ARIN or transfer resources 2
>> years _prior_ to the transfer, and you can't get any 2 years after.
>> 2+2=4.
>> 
>> Exact quotes:
>> Nope. 4 years. You can't have gotten any ARIN or transfer resources 2
>> years _prior_ to the transfer, and you can't get any 2 years after.
>> 2+2=4.
>> 
>> Your position is relatively reasonable. As I said in my prior message,
> I
>> think RIPE handled this correctly. You restrict what the RECIPIENT of
>> the market-transfer does with the transferred addresses for two years,
>> not the releaser. That stops speculation cold.
>> 
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