[arin-ppml] Q1 - ARIN address transfer policy: why the trigger date?

Chris Grundemann cgrundemann at gmail.com
Fri Jun 20 10:38:50 EDT 2008

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>> From: Ted Mittelstaedt [mailto:tedm at ipinc.net]
>>By definition, if you have "too much" address space then you
>>are required under the RSA you signed to return it.  Why - because [snip]
>>Therefore your hypothetical situation -cannot- exist pre-IPv4 runout.
> Your statement describes an idealized interpretation of what you consider to
> be a moral obligation. It does not describe how people actually behave.
> Thus, your statement that the situatuion "cannot" exist is factually
> incorrect. The situation does exist, and everyone knows it does. Further,
> the situation exists both before and after IANA's free pool exhaustion.
Leaving morality out of it for the moment, there are contractual
obligations here (RSA).  Are you suggesting that the contracts signed
with ARIN do not matter or that they should not matter?  If everyone
followed the terms of the RSA they signed and returned unused and
unneeded space, we would be facing a smaller problem.  If legacy space
holders also decided to do the right thing for the community and
return their unused space we might face no problem at all (if these
two statements are false then a transfer policy won't help anyway).
In reality, the only need for a transfer policy seems to be to
motivate people to do what they should already be doing... I guess we
are back to morality after all.

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