[arin-ppml] Whois Archival Policy?

[David Farmer]

Given that we are talking about historical data, it is entirely possible that the 
information is not readily available and my require some research and 
searching of historical records in order to compile the requested information, 
especially in the case of legacy registrations that pre-date ARIN.

I would therefore, suggest that a policy regarding historical data, include a 
clause requiring the requester to pay for any necessary staff time needed for 
research or data collection activities required to compile the requested 
information.  This type of clause is usually include in most open records 
laws.  

Basically, your entitled to the information, but you are not entitled to the staff 
time necessary to compile the information, if it is not readily available.

While I agree NRPM 3.1 is ambiguous about historical data, I agree with 
Scott, and don't think that was its intended purpose.  However, I believe with 
some minor rewording the AUP could be used for Historical Data too. 

Additionally, any information not considered public when it was current 
should not be public once it is historical information.

Generally, I support the idea of open records including historical ones, it is 
good policy for organizations like ARIN with a public trust.

On 18 Jun 2008 Scott Leibrand wrote:

> (As another individual) I would favor making historical whois query
> answers generally available to the public, just as current whois
> query 
> answers are.  I don't see any need for a special manual process with
> restrictions, but am of course willing to change my mind if
> presented 
> with solid arguments that an open query mechanism would be more open
> to 
> abuse than the current system.
> 
> -Scott
> 
> Owen DeLong wrote:
> > From: http://www.47-usc-230c2.org
> > 
> > (Seven weeks ago, during my phone conversation with ARIN officials
> > relating to the /SF Bay Packet Radio/ IP address block, I
> requested from 
> > ARIN a copy of their archived WHOIS record for the 134.17.0.0/16
> IP 
> > address block, as it existed on any date prior to the formation of
> Mr. 
> > Mulligan's /SF Bay Packet Radio, LLC/. ARIN declined my request on
> the 
> > basis of their lack of a "policy" under which such archival and
> formerly 
> > publicly available WHOIS data could be provided by ARIN to members
> of 
> > the media or other interested parties.) 
> > 
> > 
> > I'd like to find out from members of the community how they feel
> about 
> > the idea of having such a policy.
> > 
> > Should we develop a policy allowing ARIN to release historical
> WHOIS 
> > records?
> > 
> > Should there be  any restrictions on the circumstances under which
> ARIN 
> > would do so?
> > 
> > If so, what should those restrictions be?
> > 
> > My initial inclination is that since this is entirely data which
> was, at 
> > one time, publicly available, publishing it again is entirely 
> > appropriate. I can even see some valid use cases for a "whois
> wayback 
> > machine", such as wanting to know the history of an address
> block.
> > 
> > In fairness, I have not yet asked ARIN staff about the difficulty
> of 
> > making such data available, so, I don't know whether this is
> feasible or 
> > not. I would, first, like to get a sense from the community of how
> they 
> > feel about development of such a policy.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Owen DeLong
> > 
> > (Note: This is not a communication from the AC, it is my own
> individual 
> > question)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
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