[ppml] /29 limit for ARIN SWIP whois

Kevin Kargel kkargel at polartel.com
Thu Jan 10 10:05:34 EST 2008

in.re. battered women and other fugitives..

The only traceable thing absolutely required for a SWIP POC is a working
email address, and you can even use a hotmail account for that.  Under
US law (as an example and because I am even more ignorant of other law)
there is nothing illegal about supplying an alias for registrations like
this so long as you are not trying to defraud. You can give the POC any
mailing address in the world, it doesn't have to be your place of
residence or the service site, and the telephone number is not a
required field.  Nobody says you have to have telephone service to use
the internet (and yes, there are still people in the world who are
unable to or choose not to have telephone service).  

I don't think anyone will deny that there are lawful people who are also
odd, eccentric and/or paranoid using the internet.  I fully support a
persons right to be odd, eccentric or paranoid (for obvious reasons that
will hopefully remain unstated..  lol).  

Anonymity can be maintained even if you do utilize SWIP registration.
The current IP registration system is very anarchist friendly, and IMHO
that is a very good thing.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net] On 
> Behalf Of Paul G. Timmins
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:36 AM
> To: Leo Bicknell; Public Policy Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [ppml] /29 limit for ARIN SWIP whois
> Where are all these battered wives and grandmas who are 
> getting /29s from their upstreams? I'm still trying to figure 
> this out.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net] On 
> Behalf Of Leo Bicknell
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:50 PM
> To: Public Policy Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [ppml] /29 limit for ARIN SWIP whois
> In a message written on Wed, Jan 09, 2008 at 05:15:35PM 
> -0500, Eastman, Bruce wrote:
> > I don't mean this to be insulting by any means, but I have seen you 
> > mention Lynch mobs and vigilante justice on here a few different
> times,
> > I am just curious to know if there have ever been any documented 
> > instances where vigilante justice has taken place over the issue of 
> > spamming, and if so, was the victim actually found by information 
> > provided in the whois data base?
> If you're looking for direct evidence of someone murdering a 
> spammer and then standing up and saying "I used ARIN's whois 
> database to find them" then no, I can provide no direct evidence.
> I also want to stress the issue is not just vigilante mobs 
> going against spammers though.  All the reasons people hate 
> each other apply in the cyber world as well.  And it's not 
> just vigilante mobs, it's also lone individual harasser.
> Consider cyberstalking, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberstalking.
> Has there ever been a case where a predator used whois data 
> to help locate a victim?  When a battered woman moves across 
> country and signs up for new internet access is there 
> adequate disclosure from the provider her name address and 
> phone number may be listed in a global, public database?  If 
> her ex finds her through that information and kills her, is 
> the ISP, or even ARIN partially liable?
> To bring back a golden oldie: McGruff.org has "stay safe online"
> recommendations: http://www.mcgruff.org/Advice/online_safety.php
>    "Never give out personal information like your name, 
> telephone number,
>     address, email, or school name."
> How many kids are giving out their name, address, and 
> telephone number just by surfing the web from an IP with 
> fairly specific whois information?  Who's using that 
> information, and for what purpose?
> The sad part of all of this is the victims aren't going to 
> speak up.  Spammers who have people come to their house and 
> make a death threat aren't going to go to the police.  
> Battered women who need to remain anonymous to stay away from 
> their ex aren't going to write front page articles on CNN 
> about how their privacy was compromised.
> Child predators aren't going to let the world know whois is a 
> goldmine for them.
> What percentage of people who buy service from a provide who 
> lists their details in whois know that is the case?
> I can buy a phone line for home and have it be unlisted.  I can buy
> 5 phone lines for home and have them be unlisted.  I can buy 
> 500 phone lines for home and have them be unlisted.  Yet, to 
> participate in the Internet at anything more than a basic 
> level I must provide my information to the entire world?
> -- 
>        Leo Bicknell - bicknell at ufp.org - CCIE 3440
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