[ppml] /29 limit for ARIN SWIP whois
dsd at servervault.com
Tue Jan 8 17:00:22 EST 2008
I have no problem sharing that information with my RIR at any tie.
I do take issue with the full amount of information required being
available to any one who wants it. My position is if I provide valid
technical and abuse contac for an address space, the specific end-entity
it is in use by and their physical address is irrelevant.
From: David Conrad [mailto:drc at virtualized.org]
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 4:56 PM
To: Divins, David
Cc: Public Policy Mailing List
Subject: Re: [ppml] /29 limit for ARIN SWIP whois
If you don't have SWIP, Rwhois, or its equivalent, how would an RIR be
able to determine utilization?
On Jan 8, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Divins, David wrote:
> I think it is clear from these discussions that SWIP is unnecessary.
> Down with SWIP and RWHOIS!
> David Divins
> Principal Engineer
> ServerVault Corp.
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Ray Plzak
> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:31 AM
> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: ***POSSIBLE SPAM*** Re: [arin-discuss] /29 limit for ARIN
> SWIP whois
> This discussion needs to move to the ppml as it concerns a policy and
> its merits and rationale.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-
>> bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Leo Bicknell
>> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:14 PM
>> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
>> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] /29 limit for ARIN SWIP whois
>> In a message written on Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 10:23:23AM -0500, Joe
>> Maimon wrote:
>>> Is there any overriding reason to limit ARIN swip to /29 or bigger?
>> I will point out (in IPv4):
>> /32 assignment (e.g. dial up, DSL, etc) is by definition 100%
>> In terms of subnets, which only make sense if you have two more more
>> devices (router + one or more hosts):
>> /31 subnet by definition is 100% used.
>> /30 subnet by definition is 100% used (router, host, network,
>> /29 subnet is at minimum 50% used (router, host, network, broadcast).
>> If we further assume this was done because a /30 was not large
>> enough (e.g. people are doing the right thing) there must be at
>> least 5/8's, or 62.5% in use. Also, while the standard may be 80%
>> utilization, which would require 7 of the 8 IP's to be in use;
>> that leaves an interesting corner case where 5/8 and 6/8 can't
>> fit in a /30, but don't meet 80%. Thus it makes sense to count
>> 5/8 and 6/8 as fully utilized, making it all but impossible to
>> have an underutilized /29.
>> Now, one of ARIN's primary uses for the data is to insure assignments
>> were made in accordance with ARIN's rules when someone requests more
>> space. There's no reason to review a /30, /31, or 32, as there's no
>> chance those assignments were under-utilized.
>> Leo Bicknell - bicknell at ufp.org - CCIE 3440
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