[ppml] Random v6 discussions (was Re: Policy Proposal: IPv4Transfer Policy Proposal)

[Bill Darte]

David,
I don't think your comments are waaaay off or even somewhat off the mark
of policy.
Policy making depends upon as complete and full understanding of the mix
of opinions and probabilities as possible.
Those of you with insight through experience must project those insights
into the future that all may judge them against their own experience.
Ultimately, this will result in the best decision making.

bd 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net] On 
> Behalf Of David Williamson
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 11:20 AM
> To: Kevin Kargel
> Cc: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: [ppml] Random v6 discussions (was Re: Policy 
> Proposal: IPv4Transfer Policy Proposal)
> 
> On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 08:49:52AM -0600, Kevin Kargel wrote:
> > 	As customer connections are the primary consumer of 
> IP's for an ISP, 
> > utilizing IPv6 for this will allow IP's to be reclaimed for use for 
> > global connections.
> 
> That's one of the key problems, isn't it?  The place you 
> least want to disrupt anything is the very edge.  We're 
> talking about mucking up layer 3.  That's the network 
> layer...that bit that's supposed to provide end-to-end 
> connectivity.  Everything below isn't worried about reaching 
> beyond the local network.  Everything above is assuming the 
> network layer has done its job.  You can muck about in the 
> middle of a connection (by encapsulation, labelling, etc.), 
> but the end points are going to care about that end-to-end 
> connectivity.
> 
> Much as I like the idea of "fix the edge so that we have more 
> time to fix the middle", I think it's going to be much more 
> practical to fix the middle, and dual-stack the edge until v6 
> is viable end-to-end on its own.  Oh, and there's no way 
> that's going to happen without massive impact to the whole 
> network, since getting the edge fixed will definitely take 
> longer than the remaining time before pool exhaustion, no 
> matter how you calculate it.  That implies some quality time 
> with protocol translators...pick your favorite 4-to-6 
> conversion method.
> 
> It stuns me that there are serious networking folks who don't 
> think we'll run out of v4 addresses.  But this is now 
> waaaaaay off the topic of policy, which is the purpose of this list.
> 
> -David
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