[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: whois POC e-mail cleanup

Kevin Kargel kkargel at polartel.com
Thu Aug 21 10:57:44 EDT 2008

I agree on the published list, and as it is information available in public
records I see no problem with publishing the collated data freely, perhaps
in a common format such as a dnsbl..  I am not suggesting any particualar
use, but it may be good to make the information available in an easy to use

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From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
Behalf Of michael.dillon at bt.com
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 9:09 AM
To: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: whois POC e-mail cleanup

This seems to be more process than policy.

Have you considered sending it to the ARIN suggestion box?

Also, there should be a mechanism to get a complete list of address blocks
with REFUSED RESPONSE status, even if it is via ftp and you need to apply
for permission to download the list.

Michael Dillon
MPLS Bid Support/IP Addressing Strategy - BT Design
66 Prescot St., London, E1 8HG, UK
Mobile: +44 7900 823 672
Internet: michael.dillon at bt.com
Phone: +44 20 7650 9493 Fax: +44 20 7650 9030 http://www.btradianz.com
Use the wiki: http://collaborate.intra.bt.com/  


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> Subject: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: whois POC e-mail cleanup
> ARIN received the following policy proposal. In accordance with the 
> ARIN Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process, the proposal is 
> being posted to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (PPML) and being 
> placed on ARIN's website.
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> ## * ##
> Policy Proposal Name: whois POC e-mail cleanup
> Author: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Proposal Version: 1
> Submission Date: 8/20/2008
> Proposal type: new
> Policy term: permanent
> Policy statement:
> Under Directory Services in the NRPM
> add section 3.6 titled "Reliability of Whois information"
> 3.6.1  ARIN will use an automated system that once a year will attempt 
> to e-mail all separate e-mail addresses in the directory. (including 
> abuse addresses)  At it's discretion, ARIN will attempt to contact by 
> regular mail or phone all POC entries that have invalid e-mail 
> addresses (i.e. e-mail addresses that bounce mail sent to them) and 
> give them a 3 month deadline for correction of their mail address.  
> The automated system will not use a mail cluster or other mail 
> transmission software that is incompatible with commonly available 
> anti-spam technologies, such as greylisting.
> LIR POC's that fail to respond to paper mails or telephone calls will 
> have Their e-mail address replaced with "REFUSED RESPONSE" in the 
> directory. Non-legacy POCs will be requested to remedy the situation 
> by their next billing date.  At it's discretion and considering the 
> size or number of complaints about an organization, ARIN may require 
> the organization to supply accurate contact information in it's 
> directory entry as a condition of accepting payment from the 
> organization for registration renewals.
> POCs belonging to blocks reassigned by LIRs who fail to respond will 
> be replaced by the POC of the reassigning LIR.
> The automated e-mails will have a text string titled "ARIN Automated 
> POC e-mail test" identifying them so that automated trouble ticket 
> systems can be programmed to automatically delete the mail messages 
> instead of replying to them.
> Other standard mailing list practices will be followed by ARIN to 
> insure the absence of e-mail loops, etc.
> 3.6.1  ARIN will supply a report to the community, updated monthly, 
> that lists the percentage of "REFUSED RESPONSE"
> POCs, the percentage of POCs that accept e-mails, and the percentage 
> of POC addresses that have not responded but have not yet been 
> notified by paper mail or telephone.
> Rationale:
> As the entire Internet community gets closer to the date that
> IPv4 will be exhausted, more attention is being focused on the 
> possibility that there is significant amounts of allocated IPv4 that 
> is abandoned.  There are also concerns that as the amount of usable 
> IPv4 space gets more and more crowded, that Internet criminals are 
> turning to abandoned
> IPv4 space that is still listed as allocated in the whois directories 
> to use to make attacks on hosts on the Internet.
> Because of these reasons, it is becoming more important that users of 
> ARIN's whois data have a reasonable expectation that it is accurate.
> The current NRPM has a mechanism for adding, modifying, and deleting 
> POCs. However it also carries an assumption that POCs belonging to 
> defunct companies will be removed when the bills for allocated IP 
> addressing cease being paid, and the address resources are then 
> returned to the ARIN pool as a result. The problem is that this 
> assumption does not hold true for so-called "Legacy" IP address 
> holders since they do not pay a yearly fee.  Furthermore, billing for 
> the IP addressing allocations is done through paper mail, thus it is 
> possible for a POC to have a valid street address, but an invalid 
> E-mail address, and not be caught because they are current on their 
> account.  This is becoming a serious issue because contacting a POC 
> via a street address is too slow for victims of an attack from a 
> hijacked IP block to be able to complain to the block owners and the 
> block owners to be able to catch the perpetrators.
> Timetable for implementation: Immediate
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