[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: whois POC e-mail cleanup
kkargel at polartel.com
Thu Aug 21 10:57:44 EDT 2008
I agree on the published list, and as it is information available in public
records I see no problem with publishing the collated data freely, perhaps
in a common format such as a dnsbl.. I am not suggesting any particualar
use, but it may be good to make the information available in an easy to use
From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
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Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: whois POC e-mail cleanup
This seems to be more process than policy.
Have you considered sending it to the ARIN suggestion box?
Also, there should be a mechanism to get a complete list of address blocks
with REFUSED RESPONSE status, even if it is via ftp and you need to apply
for permission to download the list.
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Use the wiki: http://collaborate.intra.bt.com/
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> Policy Proposal Name: whois POC e-mail cleanup
> Author: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Proposal Version: 1
> Submission Date: 8/20/2008
> Proposal type: new
> Policy term: permanent
> Policy statement:
> Under Directory Services in the NRPM
> add section 3.6 titled "Reliability of Whois information"
> 3.6.1 ARIN will use an automated system that once a year will attempt
> to e-mail all separate e-mail addresses in the directory. (including
> abuse addresses) At it's discretion, ARIN will attempt to contact by
> regular mail or phone all POC entries that have invalid e-mail
> addresses (i.e. e-mail addresses that bounce mail sent to them) and
> give them a 3 month deadline for correction of their mail address.
> The automated system will not use a mail cluster or other mail
> transmission software that is incompatible with commonly available
> anti-spam technologies, such as greylisting.
> LIR POC's that fail to respond to paper mails or telephone calls will
> have Their e-mail address replaced with "REFUSED RESPONSE" in the
> directory. Non-legacy POCs will be requested to remedy the situation
> by their next billing date. At it's discretion and considering the
> size or number of complaints about an organization, ARIN may require
> the organization to supply accurate contact information in it's
> directory entry as a condition of accepting payment from the
> organization for registration renewals.
> POCs belonging to blocks reassigned by LIRs who fail to respond will
> be replaced by the POC of the reassigning LIR.
> The automated e-mails will have a text string titled "ARIN Automated
> POC e-mail test" identifying them so that automated trouble ticket
> systems can be programmed to automatically delete the mail messages
> instead of replying to them.
> Other standard mailing list practices will be followed by ARIN to
> insure the absence of e-mail loops, etc.
> 3.6.1 ARIN will supply a report to the community, updated monthly,
> that lists the percentage of "REFUSED RESPONSE"
> POCs, the percentage of POCs that accept e-mails, and the percentage
> of POC addresses that have not responded but have not yet been
> notified by paper mail or telephone.
> As the entire Internet community gets closer to the date that
> IPv4 will be exhausted, more attention is being focused on the
> possibility that there is significant amounts of allocated IPv4 that
> is abandoned. There are also concerns that as the amount of usable
> IPv4 space gets more and more crowded, that Internet criminals are
> turning to abandoned
> IPv4 space that is still listed as allocated in the whois directories
> to use to make attacks on hosts on the Internet.
> Because of these reasons, it is becoming more important that users of
> ARIN's whois data have a reasonable expectation that it is accurate.
> The current NRPM has a mechanism for adding, modifying, and deleting
> POCs. However it also carries an assumption that POCs belonging to
> defunct companies will be removed when the bills for allocated IP
> addressing cease being paid, and the address resources are then
> returned to the ARIN pool as a result. The problem is that this
> assumption does not hold true for so-called "Legacy" IP address
> holders since they do not pay a yearly fee. Furthermore, billing for
> the IP addressing allocations is done through paper mail, thus it is
> possible for a POC to have a valid street address, but an invalid
> E-mail address, and not be caught because they are current on their
> account. This is becoming a serious issue because contacting a POC
> via a street address is too slow for victims of an attack from a
> hijacked IP block to be able to complain to the block owners and the
> block owners to be able to catch the perpetrators.
> Timetable for implementation: Immediate
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