[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Whois Authentication Alternatives

heather skanks heather.skanks at gmail.com
Thu Aug 21 02:18:27 EDT 2008

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 6:16 PM, John Santos <JOHN at egh.com> wrote:

> So don't call it a carrot!

(break out your philosophy textbooks, fire up wikipedia)

So let's call it a "social contract"  or "social compact"

I believe that is basically what Leo is describing .. and he seems to have
found a good analogy.

> (Not you Leo, you seem to be honestly refering to it as a stick, but
> others have explicitly refered to it as a carrot, when in fact it is
> just a offer to temporarily refrain from hitting us (legacy holders)
> with a stick.)
> --
> John Santos
> Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.
> 781-861-0670 ext 539
> In a message written on Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 05:28:27PM -0400, John Santos
> wrote:
> > So the LRSA "carrot" seems to be "We won't hit you with this stick".
> > Sounds like the Piranha Brothers to me.
> There is no carrot for the resource holder.
> Society sets up rules that are good for all.  We register cars,
> land, people, stocks, and all sorts of other stuff so society as a
> whole can take stock, determine rights, privileges and/or ownership.
> If you could avoid the cost, time, and hassle of doing any of the
> above you would.  Don't have to renew your license plates every
> year, excellent!  Don't have to send in any ARIN paperwork, bonus!
> However, you should be peeved when someone else gets to opt out of
> the system you use.  When someone does a hit and run on your car,
> and you find they have no license plate to write down as they drive
> away you want them to be punished for not having properly registered
> their car.  When someone sends you a 5G DOS attack you want network
> contacts so you can make it stop.
> This is far from a new problem.  This is no different than a town
> suffering from the tragedy of the commons developing rules for who
> could graze and when, but then only applying them to half the towns
> people.  It's no surprise the other half of the towns people like
> to be able to graze whenever they want, and even in some cases
> openly mock the townspeople who are trying to keep their animals
> off the commons.
> However, the end result is still a bare commons, and all of the
> animals die.  That can happen here; when IPv4 runs out the motivation
> to hijack a legacy block will increase exponentially.  Legacy holders
> may find themselves being hijacked at faster and faster rates.  I
> have no doubt they will then come back to ARIN looking for a solution,
> and I fear the solution will be to abandon the IPv4 field as barren
> and destitute.
> I suspect the half of the towns people who set decent rules and
> tried to preserve the commons will be relatively unsympathetic at
> that point in time that those who have avoided participating in
> society and openly mocked them are now receiving their just rewards.
> There is no carrot for the individual.  There is a need for the
> greater good.  Unfortunately this is only enforced by sticks.  Any
> carrot offered is only furthering a privileged class and codifying
> its nature.
> --
>       Leo Bicknell - bicknell at ufp.org - CCIE 3440
>        PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/<http://www.ufp.org/%7Ebicknell/>
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