[ppml] Revision to 2008-3

Josh King josh at acornactivemedia.com
Fri Apr 4 09:40:34 EDT 2008

Jay Hennigan wrote:
> Owen DeLong wrote:
>> On Apr 3, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote:
>>> IMHO, the best approach to such organizations is to modify the LIR
>>> definition to include them as LIRs.   The technical model is more
>>> ISP-like than end-user-like.
>> The problem with that approach is that most, if not virtually all of these
>> organizations have financial means which fall far short of the ability to
>> pay ARIN subscriber-member fees.
> I would think that the ARIN fees would be relatively small in comparison 
> with the hardware and ongoing transit, power, and operational costs 
> involved in maintaining such a network, but perhaps I'm out of touch 
> with the resourcefulness of these groups.  (Yes, I'm a long-time ham 
> operator and indeed have cobbled together my share of begged, borrowed 
> and dumpster-dived gear over the years, but we're talking about a 
> community of 100-plus people, right?)
The most commonly supported wireless device for community networks
worldwide is the Linksys WRT54G, which costs less than $50. A community
network local to me gets its bandwidth from a nearby Independent Media
Center, who (barely) covers the $160/month cost of a business-class
cable modem and shares the bandwidth with the network. Costs can be low
indeed ;)
>> I agree that we should develop policy that allows them to operate
>> similar to LIRs, but, I also think that it is reasonable and worth while
>> to encourage the BOT to develop a fee structure that allows them
>> to make good use of that policy.
> OK, so the proposal is for a financial as opposed to a technical 
> differentiation between community networks and conventional LIR/ISPs, 
> correct?
> In that case, would it not make more sense to provide for a hardship or 
> not-for-profit fee structure (to be reviewed periodically) for such 
> organizations, and leave the technical definitions alone?

Josh King
josh at acornactivemedia.com
Senior Network Engineer, Acorn Active Media
System Administrator, Chambana.net (http://www.chambana.net)
"I am an Anarchist not because I believe Anarchism is the final goal,
but because there is no such thing as a final goal." -Rudolf Rocker

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