[ppml] FW: No transfer policies are needed

[Kevin Kargel]

Being as at this point IP addresses are not transferrable property then
doesn't that make every transaction where an ISP grants leased use of IP
addresses to it's customers for off site termination without SWIP or
other registration a de facto black market (or at least grey market)
transaction?   That would say we have a pretty widespread and common
place black market in existance today.

-----Original Message-----
From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of
Ted Mittelstaedt
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:37 PM
To: 'Paul Vixie'; 'Randy Bush'
Cc: ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [ppml] FW: No transfer policies are needed



> -----Original Message-----
> From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf 
> Of Paul Vixie
> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 5:31 PM
> To: Randy Bush
> Cc: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [ppml] FW: No transfer policies are needed
> 
> 
> > >> There's an IPv4 black market now.
> > 
> > > can you describe it?  how many transactions, what dollar volume, 
> > > what average price, is it all sales or also leasing, how do they 
> > > manage whois, is it done by M&A of shell companies, when did it 
> > > first begin operations, is volume growing or shrinking, how many 
> > > participants?  things like that.
> > 
> > paul, what is it about the term "black market" is there
> that you seem
> > not to understand?
> 
> probably nothing.  as to what i know i don't understand, it's how arin

> could make meaningful or useful policy that takes into account 
> unprovable assertions about unmeasureable forces.

Until some examples of successful black market behavior in IPv4 are
cited in this forum, claims that a black market exists are nothing more
than political horse pucky 

It's as bad as the Republicans wanting to pass the flag-burning laws
when there's no evidence that flag burning has occurred in 99.9% of the
times that they claim it has.

Ted

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