[ppml] ULA

Paul Vixie paul at vix.com
Tue Sep 18 21:03:37 EDT 2007

>  so paul... do you mind that the IETF creates a new RIR?

i didn't, and don't, see delegation of the ULA IN-ADDR space as semantically
similar to creating a new RIR.  i would mind IETF creating RIRs, since there
is a working existing process for same and IETF isn't part of that process.

for lurkers here, i'd like to explain in more detail.  bmanning does not see
"the internet" as a static entity in the way it's often described.  to bill,
what "the internet" is depends on where you connect to it, what routing
policy you have, what routing policy other people have, what's up or down at
the moment, and what time of the day, week, year, or century it then is.  i
struggled for a long decade or so to reconcile the common "newtonian" view
with bill's "relativistic" view, and i'm convinced that bill's perception is
a useful one to keep in mind while contemplating internet-related topics.

but knowing this helps understand the context of bmanning's question above:
from bill's point of view, ULA as registered at SIXXS.NET would be just as
much part of "the internet" as any PI or PA space ever was.  outlawing ULA
in "the core" would be a meaningless act in bill's world view, since it's
already the case that a lot of non-ULA space is in common every day use but
never appears in "the core".

my answer, in that context, is that i see a difference between ULA+SIXXS and
PA/PI since one is allowed in "the core" and one is not, and i therefore do
not think that delegating the ULA in-addr prefix to SIXXS would create an RIR.

i hope this helps understand what would otherwise be a very terse exchange.

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