[ppml] Posting of Legacy RSA and FAQ

Kevin Kargel kkargel at polartel.com
Mon Oct 15 16:52:10 EDT 2007

For a more non-violent solution maybe they could just line up at the
railing and see just who really can pee farthest..  :)

I hope though that everyone isn't going into a put-up-your-dukes
mine-is-bigger-than-yours mode here.  Cooperative anarchy is what has
kept the "Internet" working so far, and it will be what keeps it working
for some time in the future.  If we lose the cooperative part of that
then the whole thing goes to you-know-where in a handbasket.  Put this
in the hands of courts and governments and when taxation is implemented
to pay for administration none of us will be able to afford

The active community paying to support ARIN is certainly doing their
part to keep things going and working smoothly.  I think everyone is
doing a pretty good job of it.  We cannot forget that the Legacy holders
were the pioneers that got this whole ball rolling, and bad things come
of dismissing your ancestors.  I am sure there is a solution that
protects both the legacy holders and the active ARIN community, without
serving one at the others expense.  If we keep working to that end we
will work something out.

I suppose one of the things the Legacy holders could do if they were
unwilling to compromise or join the fold would be to institute their own
registry (Legacy Registration Authority - LSA?), and see if they offered
enough value to the "community" that it would accept routing
advertisements from that registry.  This is assuming theLegacy Holders
could come to a consensus amongst themselves.  If they did that ARIN
could just stop advertising legacy blocks, let the legacy organizations
shepherd their own space and sidestep the whole political tar baby.

Speaking for myself, I would continue to support the ARIN community and
accept advertisements from ARIN, and accept only those unique
advertisements from the Legacy registry where my customers demanded it.
I would not accept any advertisements from the legacy registry where
they also existed at ARIN.

I can't see this working, and I don't advocate it by any means, but it
may be a less evil alternative to surrendering to government control.
If the Legacy holders think ARIN is inflexible and dictatorial, I would
hate to hear what they thought of a myriad of governmental regulatory

Just my two cents worth..  I don't claim it is worth more than that.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net] On 
> Behalf Of Owen DeLong
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:36 PM
> To: Ted Mittelstaedt
> Cc: Randy Bush; Public Policy Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [ppml] Posting of Legacy RSA and FAQ
> Did I miss an election where Ted was appointed spokesperson 
> for the entire non-legacy community?
> Ted, I really don't think you have any right to speak for all 
> of us, and, I, for one complete disagree with much of what 
> you have said.  I think your tone is unnecessarily 
> antagonistic, much as I think this is true of Dean and Randy as well.
> How about the three of you go find a room or a ring somewhere 
> and duke it out while the rest of us actually continue trying 
> to find a workable solution in an amicable and respectful manner?
> On Oct 15, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> >
> > Well, Randy and Dean, I'm going to address both of you 
> since you seem 
> > to be on the same side here.
> >
> > See here.  The non-legacy community doesen't have infinite 
> patience in 
> > dealing with you.  The legacy RSA that is coming up for 
> discussion is 
> > the paying communities attempt to accomodate your desires.  
> You don't 
> > like it, well frankly not all of us like it either.  You 
> can choose to 
> > participate in the discussion to try to make the legacy RSA 
> proposal 
> > more to your liking or not.
> [snip...]
> Owen
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