[ppml] ARIN IP conservation and FREE IP Addresses

Jason Schiller schiller at uu.net
Sun Oct 7 12:04:28 EDT 2007


I think you are misunderstanding our intentions. 

The 50m line is classic UUNET AS701, but the data centers are not.  The
"classic UUNET Engineering"  has no architectural authority over the data

I believe that the original UUNET data centers were not in AS701 due to
the fact that some data center equipment could not be in the AS701 IGP.  I
believe those issues have been resolved.  Unfortunately now all the data
centers are engineered and operated by the legacy Digex folks.  So they
are following their own standards.

I would certainly like to see the engineering and operations of 
the data centers merged with AS701 so that we could rationalize the
routing, and have expressed this opinion in the past, but I lack the
authority make this happen.

You as a customer have more power to persuade this change happening.  I
would recomend contacting your sales person, and raising the issue
to a sufficently high level.  Can I count on your support?


Jason Schiller                                               (703)886.6648
Senior Internet Network Engineer                         fax:(703)886.0512
Public IP Global Network Engineering                       schiller at uu.net
UUNET / Verizon                         jason.schiller at verizonbusiness.com

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On Sun, 7 Oct 2007, William Herrin wrote:

> Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:09:25 -0400
> From: William Herrin <arin-contact at dirtside.com>
> To: "desterdick at verizon.com" <desterdick at verizon.com>
> Cc: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [ppml] ARIN IP conservation and FREE IP Addresses
> On 10/7/07, desterdick at verizon.com <desterdick at verizon.com> wrote:
> > the multiple mergers that formed what is now Verizon,
> >(first Bell Atlantic and NYNEX, each made up of multiple
> >separate Bell Operating Companies, then GTE and then
> >MCI and other miscellaneous companies that have been
> >acquired or spun off along the way), there has been both
> >organizational and network consolidation.  However, there
> >are still multiple separate corporate entities within the
> >Verizon umbrella, along with multiple separate organizations
> >managing multiple autonomous networks.
> Mark,
> Yes, Verizon has had a great deal of difficulty and delay merging its
> operations in a sensible manner. Given the performance, one wonders if
> the regulators were asleep at the wheel when they approved the latter
> acquisitions.
> However, that is not at issue here. The 50 meg line I ordered is
> classic UUnet - AS701. The Ashburn data center was built by UUnet
> shortly before the Worldcom buyout. Architecting that part of the
> network so that customers could not easily move their IP addresses was
> no accident of consolidation. It was a deliberate choice to leverage
> provider aggregatable space in a way that harms the customers of what
> is now Verizon Business.
> That this behavior is not as foul as the choice by the business unit
> that does FiOS to monetize individual IP addresses does not make it
> any less offensive.
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
> -- 
> William D. Herrin                  herrin at dirtside.com  bill at herrin.us
> 3005 Crane Dr.                        Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/>
> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
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