[ppml] Counsel statement on Legacy assignments?

Peter Eisch peter at boku.net
Sat Oct 6 02:24:35 EDT 2007

Thanks Bill, here's a start:

Dear <insert legacy holder>

You were issued <insert network CIDR(s)> by the IANA before the creation of
ARIN.  ARIN has supported your assignment for the past <n> years by
providing in-addr.arpa delegation, whois services as well as providing you
the means to keep your records current.  Please review the current

  <insert/attach current whois records>

As a steward of the Internet community ARIN would like to ask you for your
stewardship back to the community.  If you have unused address blocks that
you're able and willing to return to the pool for others to potentially use,
the Internet community would be appreciative.  With the pending IPv4
exhaustion, your contribution back to the community can help extend the open
availability for others to use.

We understand that this probably means that you'll need to make some changes
to your internal routing as well as your upstream providers as well as
peers, ARIN would like to extend a courtesy for your effort.  We're not
asking you to renumber or abandon your assignment but simply apply some
common conservation practices as you'd expect others in the community to
practice.  What is the incentive?  Here again is where you can help.

ARIN members have been trying to identify what could be offered to your
organization.  We've been unable to get a good grasp on what a suitable
incentive would be and we'd like your ideas.  Things that have been
discussed in the past include discounted or free membership to ARIN as well
as deeply discounted pricing for access to IPv6 addresses.  Might you have
similar or other ideas?

We've created a [mailing list] just for legacy holders.  We'll specifically
discuss ideas surrounding how to approach this process as well as the
opportunity to provide incentives through this process.  We've also created
a [legacy holder's risks] page.  ARINs goal through this process isn't to
inconvenience your and your organization in any way.  ARIN is looking to
encourage your continued stewardship.

  mailing list:  http://www.arin.net/lists/legacy
  legacy risks:  http://www.arin.net/risks

Thank you,

xxxx xxxxx
<insert title here>

On 10/5/07 10:32 AM, "Bill Darte" <BillD at cait.wustl.edu> wrote:

> And do you have specific suggestions on how ARIN might/should proceed to
> do this as a means of communication....and on content of the message?
> A guidance forum should proffer 'guidance' if not outright policy
> proposals for the community to consider.  "Interesting" discussion is a
> useful preparation for such.
> Thanks for you discussion.
> bd
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of
> Peter Eisch
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:07 AM
> To: ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [ppml] Counsel statement on Legacy assignments?
> After months of reading "interesting" email about legacy holders, what
> direct communication has happened to these organizations to bring them
> into
> the fold?  Until they are here (or a party to another less general list)
> the
> discussion continues to be engaged by only the mostly non-affected
> elite.
> In this forum the discussions are typically emotional, theoretical and
> rarely based on facts.  This is typical of a guidance list.  It's good
> to
> get ideas bounced around and get the input from a wide audience.
> Could some effort be spent on getting the attention of the legacy
> holders
> and establish a communication channel with them?  You have maybe a dozen
> [individual] readers here with legacy holdings.  I'll suspect that we're
> not
> the majority and we surely can't speak for the balance.
> Until they're present and a part of the process this discussion
> continues to
> be little more than "us" and "them" and clearly without community
> perspective.
> peter
> On 10/5/07 9:26 AM, "Bill Darte" <BillD at cait.wustl.edu> wrote:
>> Seems to me that since there exists a vocal segment of the community
>> that wants ARIN to engage the legacy holders and to encourage or
> impose
>> upon them some obligations or limit their 'free' services, it is wise
>> that ARIN consider what authority exists...should the broader
> community
>> come to believe as the vocal segment.
>> Discussion of this authority and options to BOTH encourage or
> impose...
>> in an open and straightforward manner is the right thing to do. IMO.
>> If the legacy community feels threatened by such, then I encourage all
>> to better understand the process in which such discussion is taking
>> place and the means that exists to influence those discussions and
>> community perspective...by engaging the community at large and ARIN
>> through participation.
>> Bill Darte
>> ARIN Advisory Council
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf
> Of
>> William Herrin
>> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:46 AM
>> To: John Curran
>> Cc: ppml at arin.net
>> Subject: Re: [ppml] Counsel statement on Legacy assignments?
>> On 10/5/07, John Curran <jcurran at istaff.org> wrote:
>>>    In any case, both legacy holders and ARIN appear to have
>>>    obligations to the community.  ARIN will certainly do as the
>>>    community directs, but one wonders if the legacy community
>>>    would like us all to forget their community obligations and
>>>    simply pretend that their assignments were done in a total
>>>    contractual and community obligation vacuum...
>> John,
>> Don't take me wrong; I think the current ARIN process is a sound one
>> and I think it would be healthy to bring as many folks into the fold
>> as possible. I'm particularly fond of proposals which encourage IPv4
>> assignments to segue into IPv6 assingments with both coming under the
>> ARIN RSA in the process.
>> I don't think the "stick" approach is healthy. Even just having
>> discussions about discontinuing folks' RDNS creates a comment record
>> where any legacy registrant lurking about must think we're all a bunch
>> of a-holes. How that activity and perception furthers ARIN's mission
>> completely escapes me.
>> Regards,
>> Bill Herrin
> _______________________________________________
> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN
> Public Policy
> Mailing List (PPML at arin.net).
> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:
> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/ppml Please contact the ARIN
> Member Services
> Help Desk at info at arin.net if you experience any issues.

More information about the ARIN-PPML mailing list