[ppml] Arguments against Policy Proposal: IPv4 Soft Landing
David Conrad
drc at virtualized.org
Tue May 22 17:25:04 EDT 2007
Alain,
Thanks for the comments.
On May 22, 2007, at 1:19 PM, Durand, Alain wrote:
> 1) This might be just too late to be effective give current projected
> end date
> In practice, there could be only 1 or 2 steps, no more.
I'm in the process of revising the number of phases, however I still
am of the opinion that projected end dates are largely exercises in
deriving random numbers given it is essentially impossible to
incorporate socio-economic factors that will likely have significant
impact on consumption rates. The reason I have chosen to revise the
number of phases (to 4 from 6) is to simplify the policy somewhat.
> 2) This creates an increase risk of a 'run to the bank' before
> the current set of policies change
The IPv4 free pool is nearing exhaustion. Given human nature, a "run
on the bank" will almost certainly occur regardless of what policies
are imposed and I'm not sure how "Soft Landing" increases this risk.
The point of increased requirements such as the 3rd party audit is to
reduce the likelihood of people simply making up numbers to get
allocations. Will such making up of numbers occur? Sure.
Suggestions on how to keep people from making a 'run on the bank'
happily accepted (and may be forwarded to the Nobel Prize committee
for possible consideration for the award for Economics).
> 3) Increasing allocation efficiency comes with a cost.
> This will mean smaller and smaller prefixes will have to be routed
Yes. This will also almost certainly be occurring regardless of what
policies are imposed. A natural outcome of IPv4 free pool exhaustion
is that people will notice they have lots of address space they
aren't using or could use more efficiently (e.g., MIT) and hence,
more specifics from the "legacy" allocations will begin to appear. I
would argue that "Soft Landing" is unlikely to have a significant
impact on the number of prefixes or that will appear.
However, folks at router vendors who can reasonably be assumed to
know what they are talking about have indicated that router
scalability isn't a concern for 5 to 10 years. While I am not sure I
believe them, there is at least some room for argument that the
routing system can withstand the flood of longer IPv4 prefixes that
will be coming.
> 4) Efficiency above 80%.
>
> For an organization that does allocation from fairly large blocks
> all the way up to end devices , 80% efficiency is already a very
> high tartget to achieve and it is not feasable to go much above.
> We may shoot for 81 or 82% with great difficulties, but 90% and
> above is irrealistic.
I would be interested in understanding this point more, perhaps
privately. I do not have enough data to fully appreciate your
concerns here. However, the IPv4 free pool is nearing exhaustion so
it is unlikely that the processes and procedures used when IPv4 was
plentiful will continue to be appropriate.
> 5) "Recycling of x% of IPv4 address space formerly used for internal
> infrastructure"
>
> This may simply not be feasable. A large number of infrastructure
> devices are not upgradable to IPv6 due to physical constraints
> (eg: not enough memory). In environments like the one I'm working
> on, even with the most aggressive IPv6 plans, a very large number
> of legacy infrastructure devices will never be upgraded to IPv6.
> The new ones will, not the legacy ones.
In such cases, is there a reason you cannot use RFC 1918 for the
legacy devices?
> More generally, I would like to stress that ARIN has no business
> to mandate that an organization be forced into a hardware change.
Then you have concerns about the liberalization of PI allocation
policies since they're going to cause ISPs to upgrade their hardware?
I agree the policy cannot mandate a hardware change and, in fact, it
does not do so. ARIN may, however, impose policies that may best
(but not exclusively) be met by upgrading hardware infrastructure.
The IPv4 free pool is nearing exhaustion, thus new allocations of
that scarce resource should be reserved for the most critical needs
and efforts should be undertaken to reuse inefficiently used previous
allocations where possible.
> 6) "* Documented availability of production IPv6 infrastructure
> services
> * Documented availability of production IPv6 connectivity
> service"
>
> This doesn't mean very much. Anybody can set up a web server
> with a 6to4 address and claim it satisfy this requirement!
Yes. Presumably, the mechanisms ARIN staff use to determine
conformance to this requirement would be able to discern between
folks who are pretending to meet the requirement and those who do
meet the requirement. However, I do not believe the mechanisms
should be specified in the policy.
> What you would really want is to say something along the lines
> of the requester should offer IPv6 service on par with IPv4
> service
I do not believe ARIN can mandate exactly what services are provided
or how they are provided. I personally do not believe there will be
a one-to-one mapping between IPv4 and IPv6 services. The best we can
hope for is that the deployment of _some_ IPv6 services will trigger
the deployment of sufficient IPv6 infrastructure to allow us to
migrate in a reasonable fashion.
> Given all the above points, I'm not in favor of this policy.
Understood. However, given the IPv4 free pool is nearing exhaustion,
I would be interested in understanding what your view of the
alternatives are.
Rgds,
-drc
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