[ppml] [address-policy-wg] Re: Can the RIRs bypass the IETF and do their own thing?

[Ray Plzak]

>
> > The US DoC has as much say for ARIN as it does for the RIPE NCC.
>
> The US DoC, through IANA functions, says, e.g., what IP Address blocks
> each can allocate.  That seems to qualify as 'much say'
>

Didn't say how much say, just said that whatever say it had for ARIN it was the same as it had for the RIPE NCC.

> You seem to be confusing delegation of authority with loss of
> authority.
> The DoC has contracted the IANA function to ICANN and doesn't involve
> itself much, and ultimately plans to get out altogether.  However, the
> IANA operator (ICANN) then has 'much say'.  But the DoC 'get out
> altogether' event hasn't happened yet.  So you can't write out the DoC
> just yet.
>

Don't how you arrived at that conclusion based on a casual observation. Not writing them out, don't know how you got that.

> > The RIRs existed before ICANN. The relationship between the RIRs and
> > ICANN is defined in the ASO MoU, an agreement between ICANN on the
> one
> > hand and the NRO on behalf of the RIRs on the other.  There is no
> > mention in the ICANN bylaws of the RIRs.
>
> The fallacy of this claim was already stated:

What is false about those statements?

 RIRs get their authority
> and IP Address Allocations, etc from IANA.  The fact that RIRs existed
> before ICANN is irrelevant, because IANA existed before the RIRs. And,
> as I noted, IANA functions are now contracted to ICANN. Technically, it
> is in fact the IANA (not ICANN) that has direct control over RIRs. But,
> as I pointed out, ICANN has full control over IANA functions by
> contract
> with the US Government. And, as I pointed out, the IETF is a technical
> consultant to ICANN. The MoUs are just that: Memoranda of
> Understanding.
> MoUs can be terminated, and don't supercede the contracts with the US
> Government.
>

Never intimated anything about authority lines or derivation of authority, just pointing out some of the factors in the relationship between ICANN and the RIRs.

Ray