[ppml] IPv6 Workshops? (was Policy Proposal: 2007-12 IPv4Cou ntdown Policy Proposal)
Larry J. Blunk
ljb at merit.edu
Wed Mar 28 14:00:31 EDT 2007
Internet2 also regularly hosts 2 day hands-on IPv6 workshops.
The next IPv6 workshop is scheduled for April 17-18.
JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> In case you're not yet aware, ARIN has been organizing IPv6 workshops in
> ARIN(/NANOG) meetings, since about 2 years ago. Next one is in San Juan de
> Puerto Rico, 22nd April. To register for the meeting:
> I guess it will be very good if folks on this list can propose some ideas
> for new contents for future workshops.
>> De: Stephen Sprunk <stephen at sprunk.org>
>> Responder a: <ppml-bounces at arin.net>
>> Fecha: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:53:05 -0500
>> Para: <brian.knight at us.mizuho-sc.com>
>> CC: ARIN PPML <ppml at arin.net>
>> Asunto: Re: [ppml] IPv6 Workshops? (was Policy Proposal: 2007-12 IPv4Cou
>> ntdown Policy Proposal)
>> Thus spake <brian.knight at us.mizuho-sc.com>
>>> Is there anyone at all reaching out to the enterprise network operator
>>> community, to tell them about IPv6 and to give them some hands-on
>>> experience with it? Perhaps that would help speed adoption of v6.
>> I've submitted an official suggestion via the ACSP that ARIN start community
>> outreach efforts. I didn't mention hands-on events, but that's a good
>> thought to add if ARIN acts on the suggestion (and they might not, or the
>> members might reject it if consulted, due to the high cost of reaching and
>> influencing people who aren't already involved in the discussion).
>> I also question how effective outreach is going to be when we, the people
>> who obviously care the most about this stuff, can't even manage to get IPv6
>> running in our own networks/homes* and the consensus seems to be "who cares;
>> I'll upgrade a few years after IPv4 runs out". If even Google, with all the
>> talent and cash they have, can't be bothered to turn on IPv6, what does that
>> say about the state of things?
>> (* My monopoly ISP has said they have no plans to _ever_ offer IPv6, and
>> even aftermarket fw for my Linksys router blocks IPinIP if I try 6to4 to
>> their upstream's relay.)
>>> I know of at least one IT education firm that has a v6 class, but that's
>>> not what I had in mind. I'm thinking of something more along the
>>> lines of the IPv6 workshop being held at the ARIN meeting in April. I
>>> have in mind something where enterprise operators get an
>>> opportunity to learn the nuts and bolts of IPv6 and to play with a
>>> functioning IPv6 network. Maybe vendors or major service providers
>>> could sponsor such a workshop to be held at an industry conference,
>>> where there are many more enterprise operators in attendance.
>> If you want to reach enterprise operators, you're going to have to go to
>> events like Networkers, Networld+Interop, etc. because few of them are going
>> to be at "insiders" events like ARIN and NANOG meetings. However, it's not
>> only the operators you need to convince; it's the people who control their
>> budgets. And really, how are we going to convince the CIO of some
>> international conglomerate that they need to convert to IPv6 when 90% of
>> their traffic stays inside the firewall, they have a dozen legacy /16s of
>> their own with plenty of room for growth, they're NATted to the outside
>> world, and all their external communication is web and email traffic? About
>> the only thing they need to upgrade to v6 is their VPN concentrator and they
>> can keep using IPv4 for decades.
>> These people account for a large fraction of the address space usage, but
>> they're not asking for more on a regular basis (or ever!). Growth is coming
>> from eyeballs and, to a lesser extent, hosters. We can't easily put hosters
>> behind NATs, but we _can_ put the eyeballs behind NATs and tell them if they
>> don't like it they can convert to IPv6. That's assuming the content folks
>> ever bother dual-homing -- we need Google, YouTube, Yahoo, MySpace, ITMS,
>> CNN, etc. to get with the program before that'll fly.
>> Stephen Sprunk "Those people who think they know everything
>> CCIE #3723 are a great annoyance to those of us who do."
>> K5SSS --Isaac Asimov
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