[ppml] those pesky users...

Daniel Corbe dcorbe at gmail.com
Mon Mar 26 14:06:25 EDT 2007

An IPv6 allocation (even an end user allocation) is already vastly  
larger than the typical IPv4 allocation

On Mar 26, 2007, at 1:55 PM, Johnson, Ron wrote:

>>> Quoting Sean Reifschneider <jafo at tummy.com>:
>>> I've contacted my upstreams, and one is expecting to add IPv6 within
> the
>>> next year.  The other one is checking with their network engineers,
> and has
>>> been for days and days, so I'm not optimistic that they're right on
> top of
>>> it.  ;-)
>> Yea.  I contacted one of my upstreams 2 years ago about routing IPv6
>> and they said they'd get back to me  in a few days.  I guess a "few"
>> days is about 700.
>> Aaron
> Ok, I am going to put on my smarty pants...
> Since the release of RFC-1918 and CIDR, the pressure on address space
> has decreased significantly.
> For the most part we are able to live within our means.
> We make our downstreams justify address requests, we press for 1918  
> use
> with NAT when ever possible,
> and we recycle disconnected customer blocks regularly.
> As a mid-sized ISP, we just don't feel the drive to change our entire
> address scheme for no good
> reason. My management certainly does not want large scale  
> disruptions in
> service to perform what is
> seen as unnecessary renumbering.
> If ARIN were in fact offering an exchange program where we would  
> receive
> vastly increased sized IPv6 allocations
> for a greatly reduced fee over the IPv4 blocks. A case could be  
> made on
> the economics of changing
> to v6. Otherwise, the folks that actually run our businesses that we
> work in, (Well some of us anyways) have no
> justification to act upon this whole new fangled IP address scheme.
> Remember, that people making the business
> decisions for the most part do not understand the technical, so
> technical arguments for network modifications
> requires an economic reason.
> Right now, the conversion with management over IPv6 goes like this:
> ENG: Hey, err, we are considering renumbering the backbone to support
> IPv6.
> MGT: Why?
> ENG: Because IPv4 is going to run out, and we need to be ready for the
> future.
> MGT: When exactly is this drop dead date of address space running out?
> ENG: Well, sometime soon, perhaps in the next 5 years.
> MGT: What does this entail?
> ENG: Renumbering all the backbone IP addresses, training all the
> operations and support staff to understand the new IP scheme. A number
> of change windows, a allocation fee from ARIN, a audit to ensure all
> devices support the new Scheme... Etc...
> MGT: Come back in four years.
> Ron Johnson
> New Edge Networks.
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