[ppml] Understanding the ARIN lawsuit

Daniel Corbe dcorbe at gmail.com
Fri Mar 23 09:32:40 EDT 2007

I didn't particularly appreciate the tone of Randy's response but he  
is right.

If one finds themselves in a situation where their efforts to locate  
said background information does not succeed, one is always welcome  
to look for their answer in the mailing list archives.  If said  
background information had indeed been discussed on the list  
previously, it would be relatively easy to locate within the archives.

Plenty of ways to get archive access to public mailing lists.


On Mar 23, 2007, at 8:48 AM, Edward Lewis wrote:

> At 20:16 +0100 3/19/07, Randy Bush wrote:
>> Daniel Corbe wrote:
>>>  What exactly brought the lawsuit on to begin with?  What did ARIN
>>>  deny Kreman from doing that Kreman thought it appropriate to take
>>>  legal action?
>> and what requirements does folk's not keeping up with old news  
>> place on
>> arin policy?
> The reason I am responding to this openly is because I think there  
> is a requirement placed upon the policy process because folks don't  
> always have the capability of knowing the history of what happens  
> at ARIN.
> My first response to this was in the vein of - someone who is new  
> to the process is asking for some orientation to "what's going on?"  
> After seeing a detailed message on the topic, it's perfectly  
> alright to seek further background instead of leaping to conclusions.
> If there were an "all things ARIN wiki" page, seeking detailed  
> information would be a breeze.  During my efforts to just say "the  
> best information on this topic is from the ARIN legal council" I  
> found that it was quite hard to find the information on this on the  
> web site.
> For instance - without some assistance off-list, I would have never  
> thought to look until the "Media" link for a press release. I  
> looked for "Press Release" or "Announcements" which were either  
> absent or led nowhere.
> Second I tried the ARIN web site search for "press release"  
> "lawsuit" and "law suit" and got no document hits.  Cutting further  
> to the chase, it wasn't until I asked a few folks in person (at the  
> IETF) and got the answer from Member Services that I found the  
> links to the data I wanted to supply as the answer to the above  
> question.
> This is one case - but - the requirement is that for ARIN to  
> maintain a knowledgeable audience of policy input providers (the  
> folks on PPML) there has to be a way for newcomers to be able to  
> ramp up quickly.  Yes, part of ramping up that is question asking  
> is a burden on those of us who already know but that's life.  If we  
> don't like it, we have to put more emphasis on having a document  
> store or library or web site that has information at the ready.
> I want to emphasize that the data I wanted was on the web site,  
> there was no hiding of it.  The problem was mine - I couldn't  
> locate it efficiently (meaning, in my "spare" time that I dedicate  
> to performing my duties as a designated member representative).  I  
> figure if I, someone with a history of working for and with ARIN  
> has a hard time, either I'm dim-witted or the data isn't all that  
> obvious.  Sarcasm aside, I leave it to the reader to decide what  
> the cause may be - but at least you know what my motivation is for  
> saying:
> The public policy process requires a means for any person to find  
> the data they need to make a judgement on any policy proposal in an  
> efficient manner to the extent that is reasonable.
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