[ppml] IPv6 Workshops? (was Policy Proposal: 2007-12 IPv4Cou ntdown Policy Proposal)

JORDI PALET MARTINEZ jordi.palet at consulintel.es
Fri Mar 23 04:12:38 EDT 2007

In case you're not yet aware, ARIN has been organizing IPv6 workshops in
ARIN(/NANOG) meetings, since about 2 years ago. Next one is in San Juan de
Puerto Rico, 22nd April. To register for the meeting:


I guess it will be very good if folks on this list can propose some ideas
for new contents for future workshops.


> De: Stephen Sprunk <stephen at sprunk.org>
> Responder a: <ppml-bounces at arin.net>
> Fecha: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:53:05 -0500
> Para: <brian.knight at us.mizuho-sc.com>
> CC: ARIN PPML <ppml at arin.net>
> Asunto: Re: [ppml] IPv6 Workshops? (was Policy Proposal: 2007-12 IPv4Cou
> ntdown Policy Proposal)
> Thus spake <brian.knight at us.mizuho-sc.com>
>> Is there anyone at all reaching out to the enterprise network operator
>> community, to tell them about IPv6 and to give them some hands-on
>> experience with it?  Perhaps that would help speed adoption of v6.
> I've submitted an official suggestion via the ACSP that ARIN start community
> outreach efforts.  I didn't mention hands-on events, but that's a good
> thought to add if ARIN acts on the suggestion (and they might not, or the
> members might reject it if consulted, due to the high cost of reaching and
> influencing people who aren't already involved in the discussion).
> I also question how effective outreach is going to be when we, the people
> who obviously care the most about this stuff, can't even manage to get IPv6
> running in our own networks/homes* and the consensus seems to be "who cares;
> I'll upgrade a few years after IPv4 runs out".  If even Google, with all the
> talent and cash they have, can't be bothered to turn on IPv6, what does that
> say about the state of things?
> (* My monopoly ISP has said they have no plans to _ever_ offer IPv6, and
> even aftermarket fw for my Linksys router blocks IPinIP if I try 6to4 to
> their upstream's relay.)
>> I know of at least one IT education firm that has a v6 class, but that's
>> not what I had in mind.  I'm thinking of something more along the
>> lines of the IPv6 workshop being held at the ARIN meeting in April.  I
>> have in mind something where enterprise operators get an
>> opportunity to learn the nuts and bolts of IPv6 and to play with a
>> functioning IPv6 network.   Maybe vendors or major service providers
>> could sponsor such a workshop to be held at an industry conference,
>> where there are many more enterprise operators in attendance.
> If you want to reach enterprise operators, you're going to have to go to
> events like Networkers, Networld+Interop, etc. because few of them are going
> to be at "insiders" events like ARIN and NANOG meetings.  However, it's not
> only the operators you need to convince; it's the people who control their
> budgets.  And really, how are we going to convince the CIO of some
> international conglomerate that they need to convert to IPv6 when 90% of
> their traffic stays inside the firewall, they have a dozen legacy /16s of
> their own with plenty of room for growth, they're NATted to the outside
> world, and all their external communication is web and email traffic?  About
> the only thing they need to upgrade to v6 is their VPN concentrator and they
> can keep using IPv4 for decades.
> These people account for a large fraction of the address space usage, but
> they're not asking for more on a regular basis (or ever!).  Growth is coming
> from eyeballs and, to a lesser extent, hosters.  We can't easily put hosters
> behind NATs, but we _can_ put the eyeballs behind NATs and tell them if they
> don't like it they can convert to IPv6.  That's assuming the content folks
> ever bother dual-homing -- we need Google, YouTube, Yahoo, MySpace, ITMS,
> CNN, etc. to get with the program before that'll fly.
> S
> Stephen Sprunk      "Those people who think they know everything
> CCIE #3723         are a great annoyance to those of us who do."
> K5SSS                                             --Isaac Asimov
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