[ppml] IPv6 Workshops? (was Policy Proposal: 2007-12 IPv4Cou ntdown Policy Proposal)
stephen at sprunk.org
Thu Mar 22 18:53:05 EDT 2007
Thus spake <brian.knight at us.mizuho-sc.com>
> Is there anyone at all reaching out to the enterprise network operator
> community, to tell them about IPv6 and to give them some hands-on
> experience with it? Perhaps that would help speed adoption of v6.
I've submitted an official suggestion via the ACSP that ARIN start community
outreach efforts. I didn't mention hands-on events, but that's a good
thought to add if ARIN acts on the suggestion (and they might not, or the
members might reject it if consulted, due to the high cost of reaching and
influencing people who aren't already involved in the discussion).
I also question how effective outreach is going to be when we, the people
who obviously care the most about this stuff, can't even manage to get IPv6
running in our own networks/homes* and the consensus seems to be "who cares;
I'll upgrade a few years after IPv4 runs out". If even Google, with all the
talent and cash they have, can't be bothered to turn on IPv6, what does that
say about the state of things?
(* My monopoly ISP has said they have no plans to _ever_ offer IPv6, and
even aftermarket fw for my Linksys router blocks IPinIP if I try 6to4 to
their upstream's relay.)
> I know of at least one IT education firm that has a v6 class, but that's
> not what I had in mind. I'm thinking of something more along the
> lines of the IPv6 workshop being held at the ARIN meeting in April. I
> have in mind something where enterprise operators get an
> opportunity to learn the nuts and bolts of IPv6 and to play with a
> functioning IPv6 network. Maybe vendors or major service providers
> could sponsor such a workshop to be held at an industry conference,
> where there are many more enterprise operators in attendance.
If you want to reach enterprise operators, you're going to have to go to
events like Networkers, Networld+Interop, etc. because few of them are going
to be at "insiders" events like ARIN and NANOG meetings. However, it's not
only the operators you need to convince; it's the people who control their
budgets. And really, how are we going to convince the CIO of some
international conglomerate that they need to convert to IPv6 when 90% of
their traffic stays inside the firewall, they have a dozen legacy /16s of
their own with plenty of room for growth, they're NATted to the outside
world, and all their external communication is web and email traffic? About
the only thing they need to upgrade to v6 is their VPN concentrator and they
can keep using IPv4 for decades.
These people account for a large fraction of the address space usage, but
they're not asking for more on a regular basis (or ever!). Growth is coming
from eyeballs and, to a lesser extent, hosters. We can't easily put hosters
behind NATs, but we _can_ put the eyeballs behind NATs and tell them if they
don't like it they can convert to IPv6. That's assuming the content folks
ever bother dual-homing -- we need Google, YouTube, Yahoo, MySpace, ITMS,
CNN, etc. to get with the program before that'll fly.
Stephen Sprunk "Those people who think they know everything
CCIE #3723 are a great annoyance to those of us who do."
K5SSS --Isaac Asimov
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