[ppml] Policy Proposal: 2007-12 IPv4 Countdown Policy Proposal

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Wed Mar 21 16:29:35 EDT 2007

>-----Original Message-----
>From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net]On Behalf Of
>Leo Bicknell
>Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:37 PM
>To: ppml at arin.net
>Subject: Re: [ppml] Policy Proposal: 2007-12 IPv4 Countdown Policy
>While I think there has been a lot of good discussion generated
>from the IPv4 policy, a lot of it has strayed from the original
>policy proposal.  I'm going to attempt to bring that back around a
>bit as we need to tackle the issue of address space exhaustion.
>To that end, I'd like to oversimplify the proposal.  Language,
>format, and justification aside I believe the proposal can be boiled
>down to the following simpler statement:
>    The RIR's, in order to assure the orderly shutdown of IPv4
>    allocations should do their best to predict the date at which
>    there will be no more IPv4 addresses available, should announce
>    a termination date just before the predicted exhaustion, and
>    should cease allocations on that date even if there is some
>    address space still available.

Leo, can we make it:

"The RIR's, in order to assure the orderly
shutdown of IPv4 allocations must announce a termination date for
IPv4 by January 1st, 2008.  The termination date will be reviewed
every 6 months thereafter if conditions warrant"

Consider that it isn't going to be possible to predict with 
accuracy, but what we need to have is a "official" termination date
so that we can get people thinking about what they are going to do
post-IPv4.  And I don't mean just people thinking about it who are
on the list here, I mean a date that news journalists can toss

The goal should be that by at least a year from announcement date of
this drop-dead date, that most CEO's of large organizations should
have asked their network people "so what are we going to do about this 
end of TCP/IP thing I just read about?"

You see I have a theory that the reason that most large company CEO's
come up with the screwy hairbrained ideas that they do is because they
read about them in in-flight magazines on airplanes, and until we
have a drop-dead date announced, the people that write for these
publications won't have anything concrete they can write about.

>I believe the intent of the authors is to realize a number of potential
>- There is a well known date at which no more IPv4 space will be
>  available, making it easier for those needed addresses to show their
>  management the need for alternate plans.
>- By the RIR's shutting down distributions of addresses at the same
>  time it prevents the "last RIR standing" from being swamped by every
>  international company solely because they still have addresses.
>Of course, there are drawbacks:
>- This requires global coordination.
>- We may leave some IPv4 space unused that could otherwise be put to
>  good use.
>- This policy itself may cause a run on IP space.
>There are alternatives, Owen DeLong just wrote about what would probably
>be considered the opposite viewpoint in another message, I quote:
>    I believe that the system will function and that there is no need
>    to  do anything different until ARIN is unable to fulfill requests.
>    At that time,  ARIN should fulfill request it can on a
>    first-come-first-serve basis and provide  a polite apology in
>    response to requests which cannot be fulfilled.  I do not  believe
>    a change of policy is required in order for ARIN staff to do this.

This is not an alternative.  Doing nothing about a problem is not an
alternative, it is status quo, and it certainly invites government
interference and involvement.

>Last, in an attempt to keep the discussion focused, I'd ask you to
>consider if these related topics are relevant to this policy's thread,
>along with why I think most are not:
>- Reclamation of unused address space.  It doesn't matter if we do this
>  or not, all predictions are we still run out of address space. 

This is an extreme simplification that is essentically incorrect.  If
relamation were to exceed everyone's estimates then it might push the
runout date so far in advance that it would become theoretical.  I
agee the chances of this are small but the are not nonexistent - so
in fact, reclamation does have a place in the discussion.

> All
>  this does is move the date, which is a valid discussion but the topic at
>  hand here is what happens when the RIR's have no more space to
>  allocate.
>- Encouraging people to use less IPv4 addresses, including but not
>  limited to higher fees, required use of NAT, rejustification of existing
>  IPs.   Same issue, it delays the date we run out, but doesn't change
>  the problem of what the RIR's should do when they run out.

These are all part of IPv4 reclamation.

>- Are the predictions of when we run out correct?  Same problem, doesn't
>  matter if it's 2010, 2020, or 2050, the question is what do we do when
>  it happens.

If it is 2050 then we are setting policy prematurely if the policy is
not going to come into effect for another 43 years.  You and I will 
certainly both be retired, very likely both dead of old age.  We do not
have the moral right to dictate policy to our children for a
community problem that will arise after we are dead of old age.
We only have the right to set policy that we are going to live by.
I also have the same objection to the continual
immoral lengthing of copyright terms, by the way.

You might as well write policy now for the runout of IPv6.


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