[ppml] Where to get your address space (Was: on PPML? - was Re: How to get ...)

Yves Poppe Yves.Poppe at vsnlinternational.com
Fri Jun 22 22:16:53 EDT 2007

Dear PPMLers,

My interest was tweaked when Jeroen Massar first mentioned Teleglobe, now part of VSNL, when we wa trying to make a  point about bypassing RIR policies and now implying lax policies of some RIR's.

Without wanting to interfere in your sometimes spirited exchanges, I wish to offer some clarification. Our Teleglobe/VSNL AS6453 is a global network circling the globe and physically present with 200+ POP's in 35+ countries representing the various RIR regions. Consequently we indeed obtain local address blocks according to the specific policies of the various RIR's responsible for the respective regions where we serve customers and do business.

The fallacy in Jeroen's reasoning was when he concluded earlier in the exchange:

"But still this shows that if a company wants, they could set up shop in Africa
and use AfriNIC policies to get an assignment, thus bypassing the policies
which are really in effect in the ARIN region" and now still continues in the same vain by saying "And as AfriNIC suddenly seems to have a very open policy, that might be a way for some people to circumvent the policies that have been outlined here".

As Adiel Akplogan mentioned in his intervention, anyone who applies for a block in any of the five RIR's has to provide the adequate justification.  The systems works and I hope it continues to work.  


Yves Poppe
Director Business Development IP Services
VSNL International
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-----Message d'origine-----
De : ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net]De la part de
Jeroen Massar
Envoyé : Friday, June 22, 2007 5:28 PM
À : Howard, W. Lee
Cc : PPML at arin.net
Objet : Re: [ppml] Where to get your address space (Was: on PPML? - was
Re: How to get ...)

Howard, W. Lee wrote:
> Jeroen Massar wrote:
>> The point that I wanted to make, which is clearly not seen, is that an
>> organization can in effect pick their RIR and go to the RIR that actually
>> caters for their needs irrespectively of their actual location or where the
>> prefix will be really used.
> What policy change do you propose?

In ARIN land no policy changes are required IMHO. I can even say that the ARIN
policies are currently the sanest of all the various RIRs, especially when
looking at the prefixes being handed out and to what kind of organizations. A
comment there might be that universities are getting /32's which is a lot of
space, but those places might be providing connectivity to all their dorms and
then a /32 is easily half filled sooner or later. Having them have a chunk of
space that is 'more than enough for years to come' is then better than having
them come back every year or so and having them gather multiple prefixes.
Better in a sense of management and also routing for the short term.

Only "complaint" about currenyl policies that I am aware of is that some very
small networks (eg those who only have a IPv4 /24 or similar) would also like
to have their own /48, but they currently do not qualify.

As such the oly change that might be considered is maybe removing the
distinction between "PA" and "PI", as it is all just address space, and
neither of them should be broken up. But that is not to prevalent here anyway
and it seems that, at least for the moment, folks are being nice and keeping
their prefixes mostly aggregated, this might change though over time when
folks want to perform traffic engineering. This then still is a routing issue,
not an addressing issue, which is what the RIRs should be handling. Enforcing
prefix sizes is something that ISPs can do, a RIR could maybe only say "please
don't" nothing more.

The problem that I brought to light is only that when a policy here might not
be good enough for some situations, folks can go somewhere else and get it
there by pushing policy through in that region where people are less
conservative or less informed.


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