[ppml] IPv4 "Up For Grabs" proposal

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Mon Jul 9 17:55:03 EDT 2007

>-----Original Message-----
>From: ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:ppml-bounces at arin.net]On Behalf Of
>bill fumerola
>Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 1:31 PM
>To: ppml at arin.net
>Subject: Re: [ppml] IPv4 "Up For Grabs" proposal
>On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 02:08:19PM -0700, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>> OK, then how exactly is this fact an argument AGAINST arin 
>simply removing
>> these records out of it's whois?  Which is what I am suggesting?
>who does that hurt? the legacy holders or the rest of the community
>trying to use a tool to find out who to contact when that netblock does
>something foolish.

If the rest of the community is IPv6 only they won't need to worry about
what some misconfigured IPv4 is doing. 

>as a paying ARIN member, i want ARIN to keep track of as much as they're
>legally, financially, technically allowed to. that WHOIS service is more
>useful to me, the paying ARIN member, not the legacy holder.

What use are records that aren't updated?  What incentive does a legacy
holder have to maintain these updates?  Holders that are under an RSA
are obligated by contract to maintain accurate contact info.  Legacy
holders have no such obligation.

>the legacy
>holders probably know how to contact themselves.
>ARIN's mission is stewardship, your mission seems to be vengeance.

I see you like to use loaded emotional words to make arguments of emotion
against a logical proposal.  I guess that means you have no answer to the
logical questions.


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