[ppml] Legacy users and ARIN duties

[Dean Anderson]

BTW, on reflection, I want to state that the criticism contained in my
previous message is not directed at John Curran personally, but at the
so-called "royal you": the ARIN board and those others who participated
in this and similar decisions at ARIN, IANA, and the other RIRs.

		--Dean

On Mon, 30 Jul 2007, Dean Anderson wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007, John Curran wrote:
> 
> > Community consensus on policy changes prior to depletion will
> > determine the nature of the transition.   Some advocate for a
> > status-quo situation till depletion as businesses rely on predicable
> > policies, and some recommend changes so as to affect the nature
> > of the transition.   The ARIN Board resolution made it clear what
> > we'd like to see in the 7 May 2007 resolution:
> > <http://www.arin.net/announcements/20070521.html>.
> 
>   "WHEREAS, ongoing community access to Internet Protocol version 4 
>    (IPv4) numbering resources can not be assured indefinitely; and,"
> 
> Through rationing based on a decreasing exponential, the IPv4 addresses
> can be assured indefinitely, certainly beyond the next 10+ years.  The
> pain of depletion, instead of being felt all at once, could be spread
> out over a long period.
> 
> Looks like the ARIN board didn't get its facts straight in May.  There 
> should be smart people on the board, who understand rationing.
> 
> 
> 
> > In particular, we'd like to have policies that encourage IPv6
> > transition, and have asked the Advisory Council to consider
> > this issue.  That has resulted in quite a few policy proposals
> > and lots of community discussion and all of that is a good thing.
> > 
> > >I'm glad you brought up Enron. The Enron Board had to give back a lot of
> > >money for their mismanagement.  Bechtel just returned a Billion dollars
> > >to Boston/MA/Feds for their BigDig engineering and construction
> > >failures.  I think an abrupt 'oops we're out of space' is going to
> > >result in some very definite legal challenges to ARIN and its
> > >management.
> > 
> > An interesting assertion, but I do not believe there is a valid claim
> > that this will be an abrupt change, unless the community fails to
> > act responsibly in light of all of the preparation.  
> 
> I also note that you seem to use community consensus to defend your
> actions when convenient, and yet the statement above seems to put the
> blame on the community for the consequences of any abrupt change. You
> can't have it both ways.  There is a failure of leadership in assuming
> both ways, and a failure to foresee the consequences of the abrupt
> change.
> 
> I hope there aren't any negative consequences to abruptly running out of
> IPv4 space. But I do note that the consequences are probably serious and
> global, and not limited to ARIN, and involve governments and regions
> that could use other means of diplomacy to resolve real and perceived
> affronts to the fair allocation of limited resources.  And I also note
> that a number of the people involved in making these decisions are
> already involved in a number of other scandals and frauds, "hardball",
> and silencing of critics.  
> 
> 
> 		--Dean
> 
> 
> 

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