[ppml] Policy Proposal 2007-15: Authentication ofLegacyResources

[Dean Anderson]

On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Robert Bonomi wrote:


Seems like a lot of drivel without a link to reference any raw data.







> As a quotable being once said, "you have sense-organ cluster all jammed up
> ventral orifice."
> 
> The raw data in question is published by ARIN, and the other  RIRs, on a
> *DAILY* basis, and is readily available for those who know where to look for it.
> 
> > Can the ARIN staff report on the past rate of delegation (in total IP
> > addresses and in total blocks, year by year, and the current year month
> > by month?
> 
> Why do you think ARIN staff should do extra work for you that you apparently 
> are incapable of reading from data they, and all the other RIRs, already 
> publish?
> 
> Why are you making requests for material that they have already prepared
> and published?  
> 
> Do you know they have _already_ prepared and PUBLISHED ot just the raw data
> but nice 3-d bar charts as well, for everything you asked them to 'report on'?
> 
> Are you really that badly informed, or are you merely maliciously ignoring
> the public record in a futile attempt to confuse the matter with the 'big
> lie'?
> 
> > Of course, everything runs out eventually. However, there are things
> > that we can do to prolong that time as long as possible.
> >
> > 	Delay in Assignment Processing of Requests
> > 	Smaller Assignments
> > 	Tougher requirements
> >
> > If ARIN (and IANA) adopt a policy of measuring the rate of delegation
> > against the expected depletion time at the current rate, and adjust the
> > above parameters so that depletion will not occur for, say, 10 years,
> 
> That sounds good. but even the hand-waving you egage in below proves that 
> depletion -will- occur.  Under your 'proposal', you yourself _admit_ it 
> will occur every year.
> 
> > then we will see an exponential decreasing rate of delegation, but we
> > will never run out of address space.
> 
> Hmmm.  Like a spammer, re-defining the terminology to mean what he wants it
> to mean.
> 
> If, _at_any_time_, people are unable to get the addresses they meet the 
> requirements for, then one *has* 'run out' of those addresses.  Regardless
> of whether it is 'temporarily' (in the case of a 'term quota' exceeded), or
> 'permanently' (in the case of 'address-space exhausted').
> 
> And, of course, everybody  who has thought about the matter for more than
> 30 seconds has figured out that making 'smaller assignments' has absolutely 
> *NO*EFFECT* on the rate of consumption -- that *all* it does is make the
> requesting party make additional requests _more_often_.
> 
> "tougher requirements" is a nice-sounding smoke-screen, but it has only a
> very temporary and transient effect. This is because requests are already
> restricted to that which is necessary for a fixed forward time frame.  
> Requiring a higher utilization factor introdues a hiccup in the rate of
> requests  but that is all.
> 
> scoreboad:
>    out of three 'bright ideas' to prevent 'running out' of addresses,
> 
>    1 introduces 'artificial' unavailability of addresses even sooner
>    1 has absolutely no effect
>    1 might 'delay the inevitable' for a few weeks to a month or two, at best
> 
> that looks like "three strikes, you're out!" to me.
> 
> >                                       Certainly not in the next 20 or 30
> > years, after which time we can expect that IPv6 is the preferred
> > protocol, and we will never run out of IPv6 space.
> >
> > No more than the expected amount of IP addresses can be assigned in a
> > given year.  Pending requests would be delayed to the next year, and then 
> > assigned in the next year's policy to achieve 10 year depletion.
> 
> I see. You assert that running out of the 'current time-period' quota, and 
> having no more available to assign that period is not 'running out ' of the
> AVAILABLE supply at that time.
> 
> 
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