[ppml] Policy Proposal 2006-7: Changes to IPv6initialallocation criteria - revised text

JORDI PALET MARTINEZ jordi.palet at consulintel.es
Wed Feb 21 17:06:43 EST 2007

Hi Terry,

Quick question. Are those addresses being advertised to Internet ? If not,
you could use ULA-central ?


> De: "Davis, Terry L" <terry.l.davis at boeing.com>
> Responder a: <ppml-bounces at arin.net>
> Fecha: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:01:48 -0800
> Para: <michael.dillon at bt.com>, <ppml at arin.net>
> Conversación: [ppml] Policy Proposal 2006-7: Changes to IPv6initialallocation
> criteria - revised text
> Asunto: Re: [ppml] Policy Proposal 2006-7: Changes to IPv6initialallocation
> criteria - revised text
> Michael
> Excellent commentary!
> For the readers to consider in thinking about your comments:
> The aviation industry will be developing at least three independent IP
> networks serving each commercial aircraft flying the world.  These
> networks will span the entire globe!  (We have several airlines that
> have aircraft that literally complete a circle of the globe every few
> days.)
> The air traffic control network will be closed as it is today.  But the
> addressing still ideally should come from a single block of addresses
> (sub-addressed between aircraft and ground system).  And these addresses
> will need to be pooled, distributed, and managed under the rules of the
> International Civil Aviation Organization.  In ICAO's case, they will
> need the allocation years ahead of the first actual use as they will
> have to make their allocations from that space to the airlines and
> governments around the world.
> The airline networks, for their business communications with their
> fleets, will also need to almost certainly use a global network design.
> As will the onboard networks dedicated to serving the passengers for
> both Internet and live video content to the seat back.
> I think you will see the same requirements from the maritime and several
> other industries.
> Industry and business needs the some type of consideration here.
> Take care
> Terry
> PS: Especially "critical infrastructure"!  Next time you are at home and
> the snow is really deep outside and the wind blowing or it is really hot
> and the air conditioner is going full tilt, ask yourself if you would
> like for your power company to be planning switching ISP's that day and
> re-addressing all their SCADA systems across three or four states?
> And can you imagine when would be a good time for an airline (even a
> small one) to switch ISP's without potentially disrupting your travel
> someway? 
> Or consider any other critical infrastructure that you have to deal with
> daily and remember critical infrastructure includes small businesses;
> hospitals, clinics, banks, local fuel distributor, refineries, gas
> company, etc.  When would be a convenient time for them to change ISP's
> and switch addresses so no one was impacted?
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: michael.dillon at bt.com [mailto:michael.dillon at bt.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:53 AM
>> To: ppml at arin.net
>> Subject: Re: [ppml] Policy Proposal 2006-7: Changes to
>> IPv6initialallocation criteria - revised text
>>> Aside: It's not entirely clear to me if a provider not
>>> connected to the
>>> public Internet can become an LIR; does private "connectivity" and
>>> "advertising" count?
>> It counts. RFC 2050 still applies even to IPv6 addressing.
>> I think our main problem with IPv6 policy is the ISP-centric wording.
>> For instance, a railway sensor network that spans North America seems
> to
>> fit into the category "end-site" which is a totally irrational way to
>> describe such a network.
>> One way to address this issue is to restructure the policy and make
> some
>> implicit things explicit. For instance:
>>   =====
>> Secition A) ARIN provides allocations of IPv6 address space to
>> organizations who operate continually growing networks which connect
>> many other organizations together. The classic examples of this are
> the
>> ISP (Internet Service Provider), the VAN (Value-Added Network) and the
>> Industry Extranet (automotive, financial services). These
> organizations
>> become ARIN LIRs(Local Internet Registries) and are expected to
> provide
>> assignments of IPv6 address space to organizations who connect to
> their
>> networks.
>> Section B) ARIN also provides assignments of IPv6 address space to
>> organizations who are building an IPv6 network that remains largely
>> under their control with limited interconnectivity with other
> networks.
>> This ranges from enterprises to railway consortia to cellphone
>> operators. The key distinguishing characteristic of these
> organizations
>> is that their networks are not continually growing at such a scale
> that
>> they have to plan for additional allocations of IPv6 addresses at
>> regular intervals. In other words, they are not network service
>> providers whose prime business is network connectivity services.
>>   =====
>> Given something like this in the policy, then it becomes simpler to
>> address the area under contention.
>> Organizations cannot receive IPv6 addresses under both section A and
>> section B.
>> Section A organizations must provide sufficient documentation to show
>> that they are providing IPv6 network services or will do so within the
>> first year after receiving an allocation.
>> Section A organizations must sign an LIR agreement with ARIN.
>> Section A organizations must maintain an active abuse desk contact
> with
>> ARIN.
>> Section A organizations must ...
>> You can see what I am getting at. We've been hacking away at minor
>> adjustments to this wording for ages with no resolution. People can't
>> agree because they don't share the same understanding of the existing
>> wording. This lack of shared understanding then extends to the minor
>> changes as well. The solution is to rework a larger section of policy
>> (or multiple sections of policy) to get some much clearer prose in
> place
>> which is unambiguous. In the process, there are some things that are
> not
>> clearly spelled out in the policy and they could be. I know it is hard
>> for the ISP-oriented folks to see this so I hope some of the corporate
>> members will step up and contribute here. ARIN policy does not have to
>> be so mystifying.
>> --Michael Dillon
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