[ppml] hoarding (was Policy Proposal: Expand timeframeofAdditional Requests)

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Mon Aug 20 16:23:56 EDT 2007

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>Subject: Re: [ppml] hoarding (was Policy Proposal: Expand
>timeframeofAdditional Requests)
>	legacy address holders are "playing by the rules" that were
>	in effect when they received their assignments.  again
>	i find your characterizations objectionable. what arin (and by
>	extention the other RIR's and the IANA) need to do and to my
>	understanding is doing is to haromize the legacy rules w/ current
>	RIR procedures - then ensure that outreach is done to bring the
>	legecy holders onboard.

This is really in my opinion completely unnecessary.  The legacy rules can
be simply ignored since all rules covering IPv4 will become obsolete once
IPv6 is in wide use and IPv4 falls into disuse.

Unless I have misread the rules, the current policy is if a legacy holder
wants to give up IPv4 they can.  If they want to sell a IPv4 block to
someone the only way possible is by allowing the purchaser to completely
take them over, and own them.  There is no mechanism for a IPv4 holder
whether legacy or not to "transfer" assignment of a block to some
without that organization signing a RSA with a numbering authority.  (unless
the holder makes an assignment themselves - in which case the legacy holder
is still listed as the overall owner of the block, and still maintains
control over the block)

As long as these are the rules then I see no incentive or possibility for
a legacy holder to sell addresses and no real chance for such a market to

I do see legacy holders gain a SLIGHT market advantage during the timeperiod
between IPv4 runout and wide use of IPv6-only IF they have large blocks of
IPv4 that they can route for customers.  Of course this would be a
"rental" situation, which is no different than any ISP currently has which
sufficient IPv4 to meet it's future customer needs.  It would vanish as soon
as IPv6 becomes established.


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