[ppml] hoarding (was Policy Proposal: Expand timeframe ofAdditional Requests)

bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com bmanning at vacation.karoshi.com
Mon Aug 20 09:31:13 EDT 2007

> That is the crux of the issue. The hoarders are already there. They have
> a stock of legacy IP addresses that they are sitting on in the hopes
> that a market can develop. Because these legacy addresses are not
> registered, we don't even know who these players are.

	as a holder of legacy IP space, i object to your characterization.
	i did not get my blocks w/ an expectation of "a market" - i got them
	because i had a defensable use for them.  regarding registration,
	i'm pretty sure there are records for (nearly) all assignments/delegations
	so i'm not understanding your claim that legacy addresses are
	"not registered"....

> You've hit the nail on the head. The big difference between legacy
> holders and ARIN holders is that ARIN holders are playing by the rules,
> negotiating a common agreement with each other on a level playing field.
> The legacy holders are hiding in the shadows relying on vague threats of
> legal action. I believe that when push comes to shove, the U.S.
> government will come out on the side of an orderly regime (not market)
> because that is generally what the USG supports. For instance, SEC, WTO,
> Sarbanes-Oxley. Until the Department of Commerce formally makes a
> statement to the contrary, I believe that if early court cases do not
> establish the supremacy of ARIN rules over legacy holders, then the DOC
> will step in and move things in that direction. The best that legacy
> holders can hope for is that there will be a ruling which gives them a
> short time to come into compliance and show that their legacy
> allocations are in fact, in accordance with ARIN rules.

	legacy address holders are "playing by the rules" that were
	in effect when they received their assignments.  again
	i find your characterizations objectionable. what arin (and by
	extention the other RIR's and the IANA) need to do and to my 
	understanding is doing is to haromize the legacy rules w/ current
	RIR procedures - then ensure that outreach is done to bring the
	legecy holders onboard.    

	ARIN is doing a very good job in opening a dialog w/ legacy holders
	and is being careful, prudent, and deliberate in its steps to include
	legacy holders within the ARIN framework.

	your characterization has the tenor of a hostile standoff - requireing
	government intervention. i believe that the evidence thus far does not
	support your claims or beliefs.  one could view your statements as
	trying to incite a "siege" mentality ...  us v. them.   which if correct
	would be, IMHO, entirely wrong.  we -users of IP resources- are in this
	together and need to cooperate.

> --Michael Dillon

--bill manning 

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